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Protests over BART shooting turn violent

dclxvinoise said:
I have an even better question. Why would he pull his gun on an unarmed man who was subdued?

Maybe the guy doesn't have all of his ducks in a row. I think that's far more likely than suggesting that it was an accident considering the circumstances.
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He MAY have intended to pull a Tazer or cuffs but his focus drifted at just the wrong moment and then, I suspect, his adrenaline fueled brain functions went on "auto-pilot."
 
bhkad said:
He MAY have intended to pull a Tazer or cuffs but his focus drifted at just the wrong moment and then, I suspect, his adrenaline fueled brain functions went on "auto-pilot."
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It just seems highly unlikely to me that this was an accident. I think it's obvious that he wasn't fully thinking it through when he did it, but there's no doubt in my mind that he did it on purpose.
 
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bhkad said:
I'm sure he'll "go down." But you are not well informed of the facts. I'll put your question to you.

Why would you shoot a subdued man?

Why in front of other officers and hundreds of BART train witnesses with cell phone cameras?

It makes no sense for him to have done it intentionally.

But he will pay. His life is ruined.
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Uh...what? I saw the video....... it clearly shows him shooting a man in front of officers, BART witnesses, etc. Have you not seen it? :lol: All of us are well aware of the facts. :roll:

But hey, I'll pose a question to you. Do you think that family cares WHY he did it?
The moron cop lost his head or was stupidly careless, however, their son and father is DEAD, and this moron will have a desk job somewhere in a few years.

So you go ahead and defend this fathead all you want.:violin:
 
But hey, I'll pose a question to you. Do you think that family cares WHY he did it?
The moron cop lost his head or was stupidly careless, however, their son and father is DEAD, and this moron will have a desk job somewhere in a few years.
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We are trying to explain what happened, not justify it.
 
azura28 said:
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Uh...what? I saw the video....... it clearly shows him shooting a man in front of officers, BART witnesses, etc. Have you not seen it? :lol: All of us are well aware of the facts. :roll:
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You said it was murder. I say you are wrong. I gave you what they call in police work "a clue"...

Malice aforthought.

look it up.

But hey, I'll pose a question to you. Do you think that family cares WHY he did it?
The moron cop lost his head or was stupidly careless, however, their son and father is DEAD, and this moron will have a desk job somewhere in a few years.
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You make an argument for involuntary manslaughter due to "reckless endangerment", you fall short of "murder"..


So you go ahead and defend this fathead all you want.:violin:
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Wait, am I defending him? Have you been reading my posts? :roll:
 
Couldn't this be construed as 3rd Degree Murder?

EDIT: Nvm, if it was accidental then the cop didn't mean to hurt the victim, so that it isn't 3rd Degree Murder.

Carry on.
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
Couldn't this be construed as 3rd Degree Murder?

EDIT: Nvm, if it was accidental then the cop didn't mean to hurt the victim, so that it isn't 3rd Degree Murder.

Carry on.
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You're right. The officer will most likely be brought up on manslaughter charges.
 
Trying to explain what happened?? Unless you get into this cop's head - you won't be able too.
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We can make a reasonable estimate based on the facts and the documentation of the event.

Stop splitting hairs.
 
azura28 said:
Trying to explain what happened?? Unless you get into this cop's head - you won't be able too.:confused:
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azura28 said:
It's inexcusable! This is flat-out murder - it shows the the fat-ass slowly getting to his feet and shooting him in the back - and I don't care if he was stupid enough to think it was his tazer? Why would you shoot a subdued man on his stomach with a tazer from a standing position? No way - this moron better go down.
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Yet you do based on emotion and ignorance of what murder is. :2wave:
 
dclxvinoise said:
It just seems highly unlikely to me that this was an accident. I think it's obvious that he wasn't fully thinking it through when he did it, but there's no doubt in my mind that he did it on purpose.
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The more you learn about police training and procedures the less sure you will be in your opinion.

Do you know that EVERY shooting incident (fatal or not) gets reviewed by most every police department? And shooting without reason (even if no one is hurt) can result in serious repercussions. Every cop understands this.

Here is an episode of the old TV show, Dragnet, which showed a 'by the book' look at the life of cops.

The Shooting Board

Friday finds himself in trouble after he kills a man in self-defense and can't find the suspect's spent bullet. 25:09 minutes

Watch The Shooting Board: Dragnet Full Length Episodes Online | Free on Fancast
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This will give you an idea of what it's like to be investigated for a justified shooting where the exonerating evidence is hard to find.

NO cop wants to go through this.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
You said it was murder. I say you are wrong. I gave you what they call in police work "a clue"...

Malice aforthought.

look it up.



You make an argument for involuntary manslaughter due to "reckless endangerment", you fall short of "murder"..






Wait, am I defending him? Have you been reading my posts? :roll:
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Oh...snap! I'm weary of all this - - he murdered him - but whether he is charged with actual murder is up to the jury. Everyone knows that.:roll:
 
azura28 said:
Oh...snap! I'm weary of all this - - he murdered him - but whether he is charged with actual murder is up to the jury. Everyone knows that.:roll:
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So your argument is that it is "murder" because you say so and stamp your feet? :confused:
 
Look Azura, when you got KC and the Rev agreeing, that should also be in police work, what they call "a clue"..... :lol:
 
Look Azura, when you got KC and the Rev agreeing, that should also be in police work, what they call "a clue".....
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I'm not an ideologue; I'll look at a situation as objectively as possible before forming an opinion. That is the problem with the majority of posters on here.

So yes, I'll give you credit when you're right. It's just that that doesn't happen very often.:)
 
Khayembii Communique said:
I'm not an ideologue; I'll look at a situation as objectively as possible before forming an opinion. That is the problem with the majority of posters on here.

So yes, I'll give you credit when you're right. It's just that that doesn't happen very often.:)
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Actrually that tingly euphoric feeling? That's called "being right" agree with me more and you will fell it more. :mrgreen:
 
bhkad said:
The more you learn about police training and procedures the less sure you will be in your opinion.

Do you know that EVERY shooting incident (fatal or not) gets reviewed by most every police department? And shooting without reason (even if no one is hurt) can result in serious repercussions. Every cop understands this.

Here is an episode of the old TV show, Dragnet, which showed a 'by the book' look at the life of cops.
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Yes, I'm sure I could learn a whole bunch from a lame tv show featuring a couple of cops with cardboard personalities. I still don't think it was an accident.

This will give you an idea of what it's like to be investigated for a justified shooting where the exonerating evidence is hard to find.

NO cop wants to go through this.
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And NO cop is perfect and incapable of making mistakes or of doing wrong. He absolutely will and should be investigated.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Yes, I'm sure I could learn a whole bunch from a lame tv show featuring a couple of cops with cardboard personalities. I still don't think it was an accident.



And NO cop is perfect and incapable of making mistakes or of doing wrong. He absolutely will and should be investigated.
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To stop making you feel as though you have to defend a particular point of view I will desist.

No one says the shooting shouldn't be investigated.

The TV show would enlighten you.
 
Hatuey said:
They don't need to. Cop killers are guaranteed a nice long trip to the pen. What do cops who shoot/beat civilians get? Warnings and/or their badges taken away? You're being naive if you think the system works the same both ways.
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Where do you get this from? Plenty of cops who wrongfully assault or kill civilians get a lot more than warnings. I can pretty much guarantee that this guy will be serving time in jail and will be out of his job.

Regardless, I don't give a flying **** whether some asshole thinks something is "fair" or not (setting aside the fact that THE INVESTIGATION JUST STARTED). It doesn't give those people the right to march around destroying property and rioting. No excuse.

Khayembii Communique said:
We can make a reasonable estimate based on the facts and the documentation of the event.

Stop splitting hairs.
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Given that we know approximately 1% of the facts, I think it's premature either way.

Here's what we know:

The cop pulled his gun.
The guy on the ground was shot in the back and killed.

We don't know why he pulled his gun, we don't know if he intended to pull his gun, we don't know if he intended to pull the trigger on whatever he intended to pull, we don't know why the gun fired, we don't know what the circumstances of the guy being on the ground were, etc.

Those facts could mean the difference between the cop murdering this guy in cold blood or the cop trying to pull his tazer and back away but accidentally pulling his gun and firing. The difference between those two things is first degree murder and manslaughter.

I have a strong hunch that the cop didn't intend to pull his gun and shoot this guy. There's absolutely no way that a person would logically think that murdering someone by shooting them in the back, in full view of hundreds of people, would be a good idea. Given that, I think it's a lot more likely that this was an accidental killing and that we'll see manslaughter charges.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Anarchists are known for going to a protest/demonstration, causing a riot and leaving, letting the rest of the people there take the retaliation from the cops. It also causes people to focus on the violence/destruction and not the protest/demo itself, which works basically against the demonstrators.

They're slimy little cretins.
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Yes and you taking a quick stap in the back at your fellow far left, while pretending to be a casual observor, is not slimy at all is it?:roll:

I don't think you are even describing actual anarchists as opposed to people who just go to make trouble who may or may not call themselves anarchists.

Anarchists are a hell of a lot better than communists anyway. How many gulags did they set up? How many millions did they kill?:2wave:
 
Rioters are using this as an excuse to commit wanton, wholesale thuggery. Most of them couldn't care less about the poor man who was killed; they just want to hurt people, set fires and vandalize the property of innocents.

As for the officer who fired the shot, some have said that he looked absolutely stunned when the shot rang out, as if it was the last thing he expected. Some have speculated that he might have thought he was using his stun gun... me, I don't know. None of us know yet, because the officer's statements have not yet been released... no doubt on advice of counsel.

This officer has already resigned. He'll no doubt be criminally charged. His own life has been irreparably devastated, and he'll most likely spent a large chunk of it in jail.

The riots are not protests; they are organized hooliganism.
 
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