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Protests over BART shooting turn violent

Yes and you taking a quick stap in the back at your fellow far left, while pretending to be a casual observor, is not slimy at all is it?

I don't think you are even describing actual anarchists as opposed to people who just go to make trouble who may or may not call themselves anarchists.

Meh, I'm obviously referring to anarchists of the black bloc variety.

Anarchists are a hell of a lot better than communists anyway. How many gulags did they set up? How many millions did they kill?

:rofl
 

Yes, really.

Do you find the deaths of about 100 million people at the hands of Marxists last century funny? Those in glass houses should not throw stones.

No, I find it funny that you would use that against a Trotskyist, as if that has any meaning or significance to me or what I believe.

100 million people

:doh

Wow, you fail so hard.
 
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Where do you get this from? Plenty of cops who wrongfully assault or kill civilians get a lot more than warnings. I can pretty much guarantee that this guy will be serving time in jail and will be out of his job.

You can't guarantee either. The cops that lit up that guy in New York a few years ago just got off.

He might lose his job. Jail time, no way.
 
You can't guarantee either. The cops that lit up that guy in New York a few years ago just got off.

Which guy?

He might lose his job.

He already resigned.

Jail time, no way.

I don't know the case you're referring to, but someone died here. It's not an abuse case and there's no self-defense argument. There's no doubt in my mind that he will serve time in jail.
 
That guy they shot 42 times.

In the Diallo case, the defense was that the guy refused an order to stop and show his hands, ran away, and then turned and reached into his pocket to pull something out. The jury in that case acquitted the cops because they felt that there wasn't sufficient proof to show that what they did was criminal.

In this situation, there appear to be few to none of those mitigating factors.
 
That might excuse them shooting him a few times. I remember when that came out, I did the math, they had to have reloaded.

Cops don't go to jail.

That was the Sean Bell case, not the Diallo one.

Plenty of cops go to jail. The guy in the Abner Louima case got 30 years.
 
I hope that if Cops shoot me unjustifiably, my neighborhood will be burned down in protest.
 
You can't guarantee either. The cops that lit up that guy in New York a few years ago just got off.

He might lose his job. Jail time, no way.

When the situations being compared are different then there is no way to "GUARANTEE" the verdict of a trial of either one.

:roll:

You think that ANYTIME AND EVERY TIME a cop accidentally shoots someone that they should do time?
 
I hope that if Cops shoot me unjustifiably, my neighborhood will be burned down in protest.

Would you want your family to start the burning with their own house?
 
That might excuse them shooting him a few times. I remember when that came out, I did the math, they had to have reloaded.

Cops don't go to jail.





10.25 times.


there were 4 cops. they carry glocks, 15 rounds per magazine.



math is not your strong suit. :doh;)
 
Yeah, the guy resigned almost immediately. From what I remember, he's staying quiet at the moment, though worse for him, it seems that he's unwilling to talk with the investigators about what exactly happened.


BART Police officer involved in fatal shooting resigns




you have the right to remain silent....


use it.



this is what you should ALWAYS do. get a lawyer and let him do the talking......



period.
 
NEVER talk to police. Ever.





"I want a lawyer".....



If you just shot someone and they keep pressing you...


"I was in fear of my life, I want a lawyer"......


When they say it will be better for you if you talk to them... That would be a lie.....


"I want a lawyer"
 
I just did a search but I can't find it.

The incident I'm thinking of I'm actually more or less sided with the cops.

First off, they shot 84 times but only hit the guy like 20 times if I recall (go PPD) and he was wandering around with a gun in his hand, shirtless and ****ed up on PCP. I'm ok with lighting him up.

But that thing in New York is completely ****ed up.

I'll bet 5 thanks to anyone here that the BART cop wont see any jail time.
 
I sort of found an article about it

85 Shots :: Cover Story :: Philadelphia City Paper :: Philadelphia Arts, Restaurants, Music, Movies, Jobs, Classifieds, Blogs

My problems with this incident are twofold:

First why can't the PPD ****ing shoot straight, I have a bare minimum of gun training and I only go to a range about once a month but I'm pretty sure I could have done better. And second, they need to not shoot so much in a populated neighborhood.





I am looking at it now. I will just say the running joke at the ranges I go to are if the NYPD is shooting at you the safest place to stand is right in front of them...



I have links somewhere. NYPD hit rate is like 17%... Appalling..... Even worse, the criminals hit rate is 21% :shock:


:rofl
 
Ok...



When Butter was killed, he was high, standing on a corner and waving a loaded gun. He hadn't pointed it at anyone, or if he had, it had been completely accidental,


Justified shooting, Remember you have the rest of your life to win a gun fight.

And as I said about the cop in this thread, I will say about the high guy waving a gun around police.

Stupid hurts.


Whats missing...


85 shots sounds like a lot. what is missing is how many officers fired thier weapon. Do you have this?
 
I said I've more or less accepted this shooting as justifiable. He was on PPC, shouting and armed. I just think they didn't need to shoot him 20 times or fire 85 times. It's a public safety issue.

If I remember it was maybe five officers?
 
I said I've more or less accepted this shooting as justifiable. He was on PPC, shouting and armed. I just think they didn't need to shoot him 20 times or fire 85 times. It's a public safety issue.

If I remember it was maybe five officers?




PPC? PCP?




Officers and anyone who does training regarding shooting learns, you keep shooting until the threat is neutralized.


If they reloaded, he was probably still standing and holding the weapon......



Also that is 17 shots each if it was 5.... Can we verify this?


Glock 17 which is what Philly pd is issued I believe holds 17+1 in a magazine. I do not think they (though they may) carry the extended 19+1 round magazine....


Now I am sure if they remembered thier training, some may have done what is called a "Tactical reload" then again, these are city officers, so they may not have. Then again there is an argument at the validity and need for such action so who knows.





See it makes all the difference in the world when journalists sensationalize the facts with "SHOT 41 times"........


I remember there was another shooting, I forget which one.... were the media played it up, but when it came down to it, it was like 4.5 shots per officer.... It was the one with the off duty and the guy that tried to run him down or something....


Whenever you see "85 times" the 1st question should be, how many officers were involved?

Then divide the number of rounds by the number of officers and it paints a completely different picture...
 
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