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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    This is exactly what pisses me off about Oakland. Yes, the shooting of the unarmed man was completely unjustified and the man responsible should face justice. However, how the hell does starting a riot help anything? The system hasn't even had time to work. Using a real cause to justify senseless violence is unacceptable.

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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    This is exactly what pisses me off about Oakland. Yes, the shooting of the unarmed man was completely unjustified and the man responsible should face justice. However, how the hell does starting a riot help anything? The system hasn't even had time to work. Using a real cause to justify senseless violence is unacceptable.
    I wonder how fast the system would work if Oscar Grant had killed a cop and how much time some people here would give the system to work.
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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    That is straight up murder.

    Anyone find it a bit odd that the family's lawyer is wearing a hoodie when being filmed by the news?
    I know a hoodie is the sweat shirt but that's not something worn around here. Does it symbolize something?

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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I wonder how fast the system would work if Oscar Grant had killed a cop and how much time some people here would give the system to work.
    They say the wheels of justice turn slowly. It seems they can be made to turn faster at times, but when they have to turn in the opposite direction they just seem to creep along.

    No one doubts that the cop as well as BART will pay BIG TIME for this error in judgment and training.

    And, fwiw, I doubt anyone can say he shot Grant intentionally.

    It was obviously a situation where he knew he wouldn't escape scrutiny in commission of the act. It was obviously a situation where pulling the weapon was unnecessary.

    I suspect the officer went into a "cruise control" mindset where he stopped actually thinking and just responded automatically.

    Stressful situation. Reaching for handcuffs. And then muscle memory kicked in. Cops spend hours and hours thinking about and preparing for the day when they may have to draw and discharge their weapon. And simply having his cuffs on the gunbelt on the opposite side as his holster might have prevented this.

    Of course I don't know any of the details beyond what I see on the video, but I can imagine it being just a horrible, horrible accident for which the victim, his loved ones, the cop and his loved ones and his department will pay for the rest of their lives.

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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I wonder how fast the system would work if Oscar Grant had killed a cop and how much time some people here would give the system to work.
    I can pretty much guarantee you that the cops wouldn't be rioting through their neighborhoods, burning their own stores.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    The roving mob expressed fury at police and frustration over society's racial injustice. Yet the demonstrators were often indiscriminate, frequently targeting the businesses and prized possessions of people of color.

    They smashed a hair salon, a pharmacy and several restaurants. Police in riot gear tried to control the crowd, but some people retreated along 14th Street and bashed cars along the way.

    The mob smashed the windows at Creative African Braids on 14th Street, and a woman walked out of the shop holding a baby in her arms.

    "This is our business," shouted Leemu Topka, the black owner of the salon she started four years ago. "This is our shop. This is what you call a protest?"

    ...

    I feel like the night is going great," said Nia Sykes, 24, of San Francisco, one of the demonstrators. "I feel like Oakland should make some noise. This is how we need to fight back. It's for the murder of a black male."

    Sykes, who is black, had little sympathy for the owner of Creative African Braids.

    "She should be glad she just lost her business and not her life," Sykes said.
    **** this asshole.

    But soon after, a man shouted "that's the modern day lynching" and the mob quickly continued its rampage, smashing at least seven storefronts on 17th street between Franklin and Webster streets. They also smashed eight cars, including four belonging to the City of Oakland.

    Near 14th and Alice streets, Myron Bell was taking dance lessons in "step," a form of dance popular among African Americans, when he looked out the window and saw people jumping on his Lexus sedan.

    Bell, 42, came out to find that almost all of the car's windows, including the front and back had been smashed and it appeared that someone had tried to set the car on fire.

    "I'm for the cause," said Bell, who is black. "But I'm against the violence and destruction."

    Nearby, Godhuli Bose stood near her smashed Toyota Corolla as a man walked by, repeatedly called her a misogynist slur and then added, "F- your car."

    Bose, a high school teacher, said: "I can't afford this."
    Soo Jung Sung didn't understand why she was to blame. She wept as she looked at the shattered front windshield of her Nissan Montero.

    "Emotionally, I totally understand them," she said of the upset over Grant's shooting. "But it's not nice."
    Well done, all around.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    And, fwiw, I doubt anyone can say he shot Grant intentionally.
    Really? So this cop unintentionally shot a man who on the ground and on his back? You're so full of **** it's not even a joke. Please stfu and let the adults talk?
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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
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    There are a few more personal accounts inside. A lot of it has the ring of random violence and destruction that can only be described as a riot
    I think the scum rioting merely used the shooting as an excuse to riot. The second they start rioting the media should refer to them as scum,criminals, or rioters. Calling them protesters just gives a bad name to protesters in general.
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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
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    There are a few more personal accounts inside. A lot of it has the ring of random violence and destruction that can only be described as a riot
    Wait...
    I thought the police were all well-trained and competent.
    I mean, that's why -they- should be allowed to carry guns, while the rest of us should not...

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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Communists are sneeky bastards aren't they.
    Anarchists are known for going to a protest/demonstration, causing a riot and leaving, letting the rest of the people there take the retaliation from the cops. It also causes people to focus on the violence/destruction and not the protest/demo itself, which works basically against the demonstrators.

    They're slimy little cretins.

    I suspect the officer went into a "cruise control" mindset where he stopped actually thinking and just responded automatically.
    It's kind of difficult to say that it was an accident when he unbuttoned his holster, removed the gun from his holster (which is quote obviously not a taser, and certainly not handcuffs), took the safety off his gun (by this time he probably would've noted that he was holding a gun and not handcuffs, as handcuffs don't have a safety), aim and fire.

    Either it was intentional or the guy is a ****ing moron; either way, it should be tried as murder.

    Why the hell are BART cops carrying guns anyways? It's BART, it's San Francisco, ffs!
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