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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Sure it does Trotsky and Lenin were responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands and the setting up of an authoritarian regime. There a lot worse than any anarchist has been.
    Yes, because the revolution in Russia degenerated into a bureaucratic mess Trotsky and Lenin are responsible for the deaths of every person that that degenerated state murdered/killed and everyone that died under it, even from natural causes (even though both were against the degeneration, Trotsky more so only because Lenin died as it started).

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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Yes, because the revolution in Russia degenerated into a bureaucratic mess Trotsky and Lenin are responsible for the deaths of every person that that degenerated state murdered/killed and everyone that died under it, even from natural causes (even though both were against the degeneration, Trotsky more so only because Lenin died as it started).
    Nope I don't hold them very accountable for what the likes of Stalin did, although they certainly set up an authoritarian state from almost the beginning. I do however hold them accountable for those who were murdered when they were around.
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    Nope I don't hold them very accountable for what the likes of Stalin did, although they certainly set up an authoritarian state from almost the beginning. I do however hold them accountable for those who were murdered when they were around.
    Which is not "hundreds of thousands" unless you are going to include rebels and the Whites, which would be ludicrous.

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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Which is not "hundreds of thousands" unless you are going to include rebels and the Whites, which would be ludicrous.
    I only include those that were murdered and that was many by the reds.

    The first gulags were set up at this time.
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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Thank you for your response, before i submit a more complete response, let me ask you one more question and followup so I may fully understand your position.


    The cop almost shooting her partner is lucky to not have killed the suspect.

    What if she shot the suspect?


    do you see a difference then between the bart and this officer?


    I have no argument on the dea agent, the point was to show how a glock operates and the danger of trigger mounted safteys....
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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    I only include those that were murdered and that was many by the reds.
    Yes, those "hundreds of thousands". Right.

    The first gulags were set up at this time.
    And?

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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Thank you for your response, before i submit a more complete response, let me ask you one more question and followup so I may fully understand your position.

    What if she shot the suspect?
    If she shot the suspect wounding him, after having been subdued... that's a grey area, where it could be viewed as an excessive use of force in that he was already powerless to resist and was shot anyway, whereas had he been resisting or grabbing for a gun or something like that then it would be justifiable... the type of thing that would be argued in a court of law.

    Unfortunately, even as an accidental discharge if the bullet had killed the suspect in that case would have equally been a case of manslaughter.

    The distinction to be made is having the gun trained on a suspect being arrested, and pulling your gun on a suspect that was for all intents subdued. In the first case the weapon discharging was evidently an accident, where in the BART shooting all that was left was to place the cuffs on the suspect, but instead shot him.

    I would wager that the suspect said something to the effect of 'f-ing pigs' for which the cop would have responded with the taser but pulled out his gun instead. That's entirely possible, but if they really wanted to beat the guy, they should have done like all other cops do, drag him through the station and give him the phonebook treatment.

    do you see a difference then between the bart and this officer?
    Yes, in the sequence of events. It really isn't much difference than if you or I get into a car accident resulting in a fatality... you have to go to court and defend yourself against a charge of manslaughter (and/or other applicable charges).

    I have no argument on the dea agent, the point was to show how a glock operates and the danger of trigger mounted safteys....
    I agree that a trigger mounted 'safety' is like a recipe for disaster, this was news to me since the only guns I've ever used had the safeety as a button that when pressed acted as a trigger lock (my experience with guns is admittedly quite limited, even tho I like that they have bullets that will not pass through walls).

    The point I ultimately would make is that although it was very likely to be an accident, it was a fatal error, and one that should be answered for. Now, as for the riots afterwards... well, if the people feel that the justice system is failing them, while that means the justice system is failing everyone (including the officers family who will be targets of extremists) at the same time failing the family, the victim, and the entire community. The people that turned this from a protest to a riot are somewhere between scum and the disillusioned youth thinking that broken windows at a mcdonalds sends a good message.

    I'm really not hating on cops, they do have a tough job to do and put their lives on the line every day. I am grateful for that, as a realist, I accept that there are many corrupt cops, and so when a cop is witnessed as being part of ANY crime, they should be dealt with strictly and more severely than an average citizen for the same crime, but ONLY because of the responsibilities that come from their job.

    One final distinction; I wouldn't argue manslaughter had the suspect been standing and in a position to be actively resisting arrest, then the death would be a 'justifiable homocide' rather, and while still should face questions and a brief paid-leave of absence for the stress caused in that type of situation, but not be at risk of a prison sentance.

    My first reaction was that the cop murdered a man, but given all the other circumstance in this case, the charge should be murder (for firing on a detained man) rather than cuffing him, with an opening deal offer to confess to manslaughter, where he needs to see a jail cell... but since the longer he's in jail the higher the odds of him being killed for being a cop... even tho for only two years, it's still to say that he (should be) a typically upstanding citizen himself. Ultimately, for everyone involved, this needs to be settled in a courtroom, or those riots will eventually boil over into a full out revolt.

    I feel like there's more I could add in terms of distinctions into my beliefs, but I'll leave it at that.

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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Yes, those "hundreds of thousands". Right.
    Yep those. Lenin And Trotsky bear a lot of responsibility for them.


    And?
    They were part of the despotic and murderous regime of Lenin and Trotsky. Stalin did not come from nowhere, he was apprenticed in the arts of murder and tyranny under the old masters.
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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Source [SF Gate | Protests over BART shooting turn violent]



    There are a few more personal accounts inside. A lot of it has the ring of random violence and destruction that can only be described as a riot


    Yes, well. They're understandably upset, and they don't have any constructive, socially-sanctioned avenues for expressing their- legitimate, in my opinion- anger and displeasure.

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    Re: Protests over BART shooting turn violent

    I think there's also a certain necessity to riots over obvious police misbehavior. It physically illustrates the social contract.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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