I demand a cessation of the name Jessica. There are SIX in my phone. Too many.
And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?
Joining this one a bit late it seems now that the conversation has veered off topic...
I just wanted to make a couple of points and respond to a few others...
First concerning the shooting, the guy gave the sign of 'I give up / I'm sorry / Don't hurt me." This is not a message you send out if you are resisting arrest... then they throw this guy on the ground, subdued by 2 cops and showing no signs of resistance.
So, the cop pulls out his gun... I would be willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt that he meant to taser the guy... but why cattle prod someone that's following instruction?? Does this mean that we are SUPPOSED to put up a fight when being arrested?? So at least when you get tasered/shot it's 'justified'??
What irks me is that they tried passing the story off initially saying that the camera's at that one station just happened to NOT BE FILMING??? Seriously, f@@k right off if you expect me to believe that... the camera's are there to be a witness to crime, and it just so happens when it's a cop committing the crime the camera had been 'turned off'?? How gullible are you people?
So, the cop ended a man's life: He should face a charge of murder with an opening deal of accepting manslaughter. Anything less than that sends the message that both that cops are NOT responsible to the people they are meant to protect and serve or responsible for their actions. It would also serve as a precedent that cops are above the law.
Now about the riots : "anarchists" wearing all black waving the black flag have on several occasions been exposed as police officers instigating conflicts then leaving to see the legitimate and peaceful protesters to take the beatings. This happened twice in Canada, at the DNC and RNC conventions, in Melbourne, Australia, in Geneva, etc. And I mean CAUGHT AND EXPOSED, NOT SUSPECTED. BUT FULLY EXPOSED. UNDENIABLY. I don't condone the acts of breaking shop windows, etc... but if it seems that the official channels of justice are NOT going to act on the issue, then you can expect people to take action, if not taking justice into their own hands... and that would serve as a lesson to police everywhere that THEY SERVE US. WE DO NOT SERVE POLICE!!!
I heartily disagree with the opinion that the general public should not be carrying guns. Although I WOULD agree that to open or concealed carry a weapon on the street should require a basic proficiency test.
I mean think about it, if you plan to break into a house would you think twice if you knew that if you are seen you will likely end up shot?? Same thing at the 'riots' if the protestors were carrying guns they could have decisively dealt with those tainting the message they hoped to send?
In a just world, once the gun fired and the suspect detained, the other cops should have arrested the culprit on the scene, although realistically this wouldn't happen.
True, and I am saddened by that... keep the cattle prods for the cattle.Cops are trained to use tasers for much less than this these days.
Last edited by Wessexman; 01-09-09 at 07:47 PM.
"It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke
Pretty sad all the way around. Oakland is not a big happy sandbox where all the kids are scrubbed clean and play nice though either. Any word on warrants on this kid?
He may have been a known violent offender or dealer and that cop may have mistook a move the kid made. Trying to reach into a coat pocket or maybe under his shirt/back of his pants. Does not look like they had searched these kids yet.
I haven't seen much video of the riot itself, but watching the video, consider the typical 'anarchist'. Disillusioned youth, karma loving hippy types that think living in a world with no laws everyone could cooperate, those that hate the government and figure 'no government' would be best... and in the minority the brutish anarchists that start riots. Many times these huge 'anarchists' are really cops instigating a police 'retaliation'. I'm not saying that this was the case this time, but it has been the case in the past...
More to you point, while situations may arise in a riot situation where live fire becomes unnavoidable, it should be a final and drastic last resort. Your previous statements implied that should make an armed response more easily acceptable.
Especially when you've got military doing 'homeland tours' of US soil. The guys that are used to people shooting back no less. I'm afraid that if situations keep arising like this that things may get very bloody before things get better,
Ya, so the cops are already on edge and eager to pull out at least the tazer? I don't even see how the taser was necessary, he should have pulled out his cuffs instead.Pretty sad all the way around. Oakland is not a big happy sandbox where all the kids are scrubbed clean and play nice though either. Any word on warrants on this kid?
So, it was a 'hit' then? He was all but subdued and ready to be cuffed... this cop needs to see the inside of a jail cell. I'd be willing to accept 'taser confusion' as a defense, but he did kill a man.He may have been a known violent offender or dealer and that cop may have mistook a move the kid made. Trying to reach into a coat pocket or maybe under his shirt/back of his pants. Does not look like they had searched these kids yet.