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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yeah, and I want to listen to a robot yes machine, "democratic capitalistic is best" society, and "anti terrorism", "dangerous Muslims" slave.. No thanks...

    You blindly follow others, I dont, thats the difference.. I have my own opinions and ideas, yours are based around "what has been pushed on me all life is best"...
    I'm sure it makes you feel better to believe that.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yes, and you idea what I am talking about, you have no comprehension for what I am trying to tell you, nor do you try not to misunderstand and repeat the same stuff. In a one party system, all are either for or against individually, not as groups.
    No, actually, at this point, I'm starting to get that I understand it better than you do. You appear to me to be something like a second-year university student who's still laboring under the notion that he's the first one who's ever thought of any of this stuff.

    Do you really think you've presented anything resembling an original idea anywhere in your posts? If you do, you've got a lot more studying to do.


    And none of these things in your posts are arguments against what I am saying, nor do you have any arguments for your own opinions, you just have the same standard arguments for what you have been told is the right thing.
    No, in fact, I've taken what you've had to say head on. I'm sorry that you're not winning me over, but I value things like individual liberty and have seen far too much of what your intellectual cousins have done to the world to want any part of it.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There's been a little progress. So what? It's still no one's idea of a bastion of freedom. Except maybe yours.



    What, specifically, about that took away freedoms?




    Says who? There's a moratorium on bank transfers relating to it while it's being assessed as to how it can be regulated, but that's only administrative; Congress will deal with it this year, probably.

    But even if it were an ironclad prohibition, wow, if that's the best you can up with --internet gambling -- then I'd say we're doing extremely well.




    It's meaningless because it says nothing.



    No, it is not. It is a substantive comparison of a pretty narrow issue. The copious nonsense you read into it is entirely your own, but again, it's wonderful propagandizing.



    Sure. I don't agree with YOU, so I'm incapable of thinking for myself.
    You asked me for one example, I gave a damn good one..

    Just like any good US robot you try to avoid saying that I am right, and try to focus on me "only" giving one example, and forgetting that you asked for one example, and then resort to the same methods as other good US robots to try to avoid the context..

    So you think the people of the US should not be able to decide for themselves if they want to play the American game of poker online?
    You are saying that the government is not taking away peoples freedom of choice by banning it?
    You are saying that the US government is right to interfere in the lives of citizens and micromanage what they can and cannot do?


    Then you come with a typical US rephrasal and turning tactics of claiming what people say and asking an unconsequential question afterwards.. I never said you cant think for yourself because you dont agree with me, but because you have no opinions and ideas of your own, you just blindly follow the ideas that have been pushed on you, and keep repeating the same arguments that those people forced onto you to descibe their model as best. You are probably a perfect propaganda machine, you swallow information, adopt it and then become a propaganda machine yourself.

    Nice little robot. Good luck with finding yourself and your own integrity.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, actually, at this point, I'm starting to get that I understand it better than you do. You appear to me to be something like a second-year university student who's still laboring under the notion that he's the first one who's ever thought of any of this stuff.

    Do you really think you've presented anything resembling an original idea anywhere in your posts? If you do, you've got a lot more studying to do.
    I am just saying I have MY OWN ideas, my own full integrity. Not a robotic copy integrity and copy idea sets like you have.



    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, in fact, I've taken what you've had to say head on. I'm sorry that you're not winning me over, but I value things like individual liberty and have seen far too much of what your intellectual cousins have done to the world to want any part of it.
    Have I ever spoke against individual freedom? Thats one of the single most policies that I am strongly in favor of..

    Your robotic way of thinking will now tell you that the combinations I am talking about is not working, but thats only because you think freedom and liberty only functions with democracy and total capitalism..

    You are the one whom sound like a student, whom have just learn about ideas and thinks the way they are and have been is the only possible way to work.
    Your linking of policies and brand names and such tells me all about this..

    You were the one whom called me fascist. I am far from, but I support some fascist ideas.. I support ideas of all ideologies, while you for example if more narrow minded in favor of one idea only.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'm sure it makes you feel better to believe that.
    You havent shown anything that even hints at the contrary.

    May I remind you, that you are the one trolling a post about US unemployment, and branding it anti-American and branding me fascist for having different ideas than you. You are like all Americans, deadly afraid of any negative criticism, and react like machines to it, "anti-americanism" to everything that is not exclusively positive about the US.

    Even negative news you react to now as "anti-American".. Its almost pathetic.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    You asked me for one example, I gave a damn good one..
    Which was?

    Just like any good US robot you try to avoid saying that I am right, and try to focus on me "only" giving one example, and forgetting that you asked for one example
    What I wanted was a concrete example of a meaningful freedom which has been lost.


    So you think the people of the US should not be able to decide for themselves if they want to play the American game of poker online?
    You can play poker online all day long. You just can't, at this time, use real money for it.

    But you make it sound like gambling is otherwise completely legal everywhere.


    You are saying that the government is not taking away peoples freedom of choice by banning it?
    I'm saying it's a weak, frivolous example that in no way compares to, say, outlawing freedom association, which is what you aim to do.


    You are saying that the US government is right to interfere in the lives of citizens and micromanage what they can and cannot do?
    Said nothing of the sort.


    Then you come with a typical US rephrasal and turning tactics of claiming what people say and asking an unconsequential question afterwards.. I never said you cant think for yourself because you dont agree with me
    You didn't state any other basis for coming to the conclusion that I'm a "robot," so yeah, in that context, it seems to be the only basis for you conclusion. You want to provide a better one?

    but because you have no opinions and ideas of your own, you just blindly follow the ideas that have been pushed on you, and keep repeating the same arguments that those people forced onto you to descibe their model as best.
    And, you're doing it again.


    You are probably a perfect propaganda machine, you swallow information, adopt it and then become a propaganda machine yourself.
    Strangely, you notice I'm not swallowing YOUR propaganda.


    Nice little robot. Good luck with finding yourself and your own integrity.
    My integrity is 100% intact.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Which was?



    What I wanted was a concrete example of a meaningful freedom which has been lost.

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    Short memory when I answer your questions. Rather like always you try to avoid admitting that I am right, just like any good little robot.

    Poker. Making it illegal in the US to play poker online with money, is ONE example(which you asked for), that the government doesnt let you take decisions by yourselves, that they try to micromanage what you can and cannot do..

    Poker is no crime, its an American game, and most the rest of the world is allowed to play it for money online.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I am just saying I have MY OWN ideas, my own full integrity. Not a robotic copy integrity and copy idea sets like you have.
    Yeah, my "idea set" is individual liberty and personal responsibility. What a "robot" I indeed am.


    Have I ever spoke against individual freedom?
    Dude, you've got government operatives or citizen informants watching people's living rooms to make sure they don't try to form a political party.

    And you've got access to governmental policymaking reserved only for the (your word) "elites."

    What WAS I thinking?


    Your robotic way of thinking will now tell you that the combinations I am talking about is not working
    No, my informed, educated way of thinking tells me that you're headed down the same road which gave us 150 million dead in the last century.


    but thats only because you think freedom and liberty only functions with democracy
    It is best preserved by democracy, yes. A benevolent dictatorship of the type you describe (and that IS what you're describing, even if there's no one dictator) is only benevolent as long as the dictator wants to be benevolent.

    and total capitalism..
    I haven't said a word about capitalism at any point. You're simply making assumptions.


    You are the one whom sound like a student, whom have just learn about ideas and thinks the way they are and have been is the only possible way to work.
    Nope, been studying it for many years, both in and out of some of the best universities in the world. And I've been encountering your "new ideas" from people who've been spouting the same stuff all along the way.


    Your linking of policies and brand names and such tells me all about this..
    What "brand names"? I call things like they are.


    You were the one whom called me fascist. I am far from, but I support some fascist ideas.. I support ideas of all ideologies, while you for example if more narrow minded in favor of one idea only.
    If you don't want to be called a "fascist," stop writing like one. Your ideas are what they are. Call them whatever you like; I'll still know what I'm reading.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Short memory when I answer your questions. Rather like always you try to avoid admitting that I am right, just like any good little robot.

    Poker. Making it illegal in the US to play poker online with money, is ONE example(which you asked for), that the government doesnt let you take decisions by yourselves, that they try to micromanage what you can and cannot do..

    Poker is no crime, its an American game, and most the rest of the world is allowed to play it for money online.
    Yeah, and broad gun ownership is mostly legal here but isn't in most of the rest of the world. I think we come out ahead.

    Like I said, find me a meaningful freedom which has been lost, not a hobby. Gambling is not exactly a core, fundamental human right. (I notice you gave up on the Patriot Act. Have you even ever actually read it?)
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Dude, you've got government operatives or citizen informants watching people's living rooms to make sure they don't try to form a political party.
    Never said that.. I said surveillance people who have actually become politicians.. Yet I never told you any of the complete ideas, just a tiny fractions of them.. Another part of this would be that politicians need to be dedicated people, dedicate themselves to the state and the people, and partly live in isolation. Thats how dedicated I want politicians to be, to blindly and willingly dedicate themselves to the state, much like soldiers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And you've got access to governmental policymaking reserved only for the (your word) "elites."
    Never said that, said PARTLY elitist or MOSTLY.. Any of them is better than the current, mostly morons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What WAS I thinking?
    Probably nothing like always, just blindly following the ideas that have been pushed onto you. I excuse you, you probably do not know better.




    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, my informed, educated way of thinking tells me that you're headed down the same road which gave us 150 million dead in the last century.
    Of course, the integrity that have been pushed on you tells you this, and ignores the fact that I havent even told you 1/100th of what the total reforms into politics and economics need to be.. You just assume a bunch of things and put a label on me because I do not agree with you. And you just assume that I want to kill people.

    I can guarantee you, if you knew my whole political idealism, you would know that it would not take any lives and it would save billions of lives over the course of 100 years.

    How many lives have the democratic ways of the US taken over the past 10 years? Isnt it 1 million something? How many has it saved? NONE.



    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It is best preserved by democracy, yes. A benevolent dictatorship of the type you describe (and that IS what you're describing, even if there's no one dictator) is only benevolent as long as the dictator wants to be benevolent.
    Yet democracy is just another form of dictatorship, it certainly doesn't empower the people, any ideas that I have about politics REALLY will empower the people, not pretend to do so. Nor will it have a single leader like the "democratic" US have. Knowing that that guy is a retard really makes your democratic system a total joke, having seen your elections and the "circus non-politics" it is only makes me cry myself to sleep over the future of our damned human race. Something have to happen if politics isnt to become another Hollywood, and the people more retarded and even more robotic.

    My idea will empower the people, because it will make politics local and changes to make people involved in politics, it will also party be populism and mass referendums to anything which is not short term politics.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I haven't said a word about capitalism at any point. You're simply making assumptions.
    Yes, I just want to prove a point. I assume, you have assumed things all the time.. You assume most of what you are answering to, you certainly have no clear idea of my ideas and ideals.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Nope, been studying it for many years, both in and out of some of the best universities in the world. And I've been encountering your "new ideas" from people who've been spouting the same stuff all along the way.
    I never said its new ideas, I just say I have MY OWN ideas. I am no sheep like you. I couldnt care less if its not new ideas. But the total of my ideas certainly are only my own, and new. Just because you do not understand the total of it, doesnt mean my integrity is anywhere near as robotic as yours.



    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What "brand names"? I call things like they are.
    Like a good robot, you see some similarities, you ignore the reality and slap a brand on things. LAZY...



    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If you don't want to be called a "fascist," stop writing like one. Your ideas are what they are. Call them whatever you like; I'll still know what I'm reading.
    You dont even know 1% of my total idea, yet you are willing our of ignorance to brand me as fascist.

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