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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

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    Surveilance OF the politicians BY the people(or people who represent the people and not politics)..
    Political parties aren't made of politicians. They're made of people who come together for common cause.

    Being surveilled for possible legal penalty is the same no matter who's doing it -- by the government, or by citizen informers. If it's being done to keep people from freely associating with other, it's totalitarian any way you slice it.

    Nice world you envision. Don't count me in.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    People in China are almost as free as people in the US. Especially now with all the decreases of freedom in the US and further state involvement. If there is any state close to being a fascist state its the US.
    And you continue down your textbook fascist propagandist ways. In this case, I'd venture to say it may be because you actually believe this utter drivel is true.



    Thats why we should look for complex yet simple solutions, rather than half functioning simple minded but complicated solutions.
    That is a meaningless babbling of a sentence. But, a wonderful propagandist slogan.


    And yet, in the US people get less and less freedoms, while people in China get more and more.. So who is REALLY working for the people?
    I've been hearing for years that all these "freedoms" are being taken away here in the US, but I have yet to be given a concrete example.

    And I can name probably about 60 prominent people just off the top of my head who, if this were China and they were speaking the same things against the Chinese government as they do here about ours, would be in prison or dead.

    But continue. You're only making it more and more obvious how clueless you really are with each and every post.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Political parties aren't made of politicians. They're made of people who come together for common cause.

    Being surveilled for possible legal penalty is the same no matter who's doing it -- by the government, or by citizen informers. If it's being done to keep people from freely associating with other, it's totalitarian any way you slice it.

    Nice world you envision. Don't count me in.
    Thats another problem, politicians are average fools, they should be mostly the elite of the society.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Id say the US for example relies MORE on one single decision maker than China
    I'm sure you would "say" that. And you'd be wrong.

    All that you refer to is the worst of all systems I mention, yet I have repeatedly said we should collect the best of every system. Nor did I say we should adopt the fascist system alltogether, like you make it sound.
    I respond to what you say should be implemented.

    But many things of fascism are pretty good, wouldnt you agree?
    Those things which are "good" about it are not worth their price -- on freedom, on choice, on individual rights, on the human spirit.

    Then we just root out the bad and put them on the "no no list".
    You can't. The things which make fascism "work" are the things which lead to the horrors of it.


    All thoughout this post contrary to what you believe I have called for abolishing of single leaders and decision makers, and even small such groups. Collective decision making is far superior.
    You wish to abolish those who come together in opposition to your one-party system. I don't find that "superior" in any way.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its not relevant at all.. The reason I posted this thread was because I read the news and wanted to share them with you..
    Yes, you want to share them in order to push your agenda. Like I said, you're not breaking any new ground here.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And you continue down your textbook fascist propagandist ways. In this case, I'd venture to say it may be because you actually believe this utter drivel is true.





    That is a meaningless babbling of a sentence. But, a wonderful propagandist slogan.




    I've been hearing for years that all these "freedoms" are being taken away here in the US, but I have yet to be given a concrete example.

    And I can name probably about 60 prominent people just off the top of my head who, if this were China and they were speaking the same things against the Chinese government as they do here about ours, would be in prison or dead.

    But continue. You're only making it more and more obvious how clueless you really are with each and every post.
    Do you not agree people in China are GAINING freedoms?

    US patriot act is one example.. And people in "free" America are not allowed to gamble online, is another.. Those are recent additions to your freedoms being taken, as well as your choices.

    The sentence is not meaningless if you arent full of refusal towards other than robotic ideas.

    And then in the end you start babbling about one thing about China, which is suppose to prove that its a complete "slave" nation with "supressed" people, and horrible living standards, and that the US is "best" and "free".

    Talk about propaganda. I have my own ideas about things, you just repeat a bunch of ideas that other people have put on you.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Thats another problem, politicians are average fools, they should be mostly the elite of the society.
    Yes, that petty bourgeois should know its place.

    I said it before -- if the armband fits . . .
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yes, that petty bourgeois should know its place.

    I said it before -- if the armband fits . . .
    Yeah, and I want to listen to a robot yes machine, "democratic capitalistic is best" society, and "anti terrorism", "dangerous Muslims" slave.. No thanks...

    You blindly follow others, I dont, thats the difference.. I have my own opinions and ideas, yours are based around "what has been pushed on me all life is best"...
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'm sure you would "say" that. And you'd be wrong.



    I respond to what you say should be implemented.



    Those things which are "good" about it are not worth their price -- on freedom, on choice, on individual rights, on the human spirit.



    You can't. The things which make fascism "work" are the things which lead to the horrors of it.




    You wish to abolish those who come together in opposition to your one-party system. I don't find that "superior" in any way.

    Yes, and you idea what I am talking about, you have no comprehension for what I am trying to tell you, nor do you try not to misunderstand and repeat the same stuff. In a one party system, all are either for or against individually, not as groups.

    And ofcourse you believe China is more ruled by one man than the US, nothing better is to be expected of you..

    And none of these things in your posts are arguments against what I am saying, nor do you have any arguments for your own opinions, you just have the same standard arguments for what you have been told is the right thing.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Do you not agree people in China are GAINING freedoms?
    There's been a little progress. So what? It's still no one's idea of a bastion of freedom. Except maybe yours.

    US patriot act is one example.
    What, specifically, about that took away freedoms?


    And people in "free" America are not allowed to gamble online, is another.
    Says who? There's a moratorium on bank transfers relating to it while it's being assessed as to how it can be regulated, but that's only administrative; Congress will deal with it this year, probably.

    But even if it were an ironclad prohibition, wow, if that's the best you can up with --internet gambling -- then I'd say we're doing extremely well.


    The sentence is not meaningless if you arent full of refusal towards other than robotic ideas.
    It's meaningless because it says nothing.

    And then in the end you start babbling about one thing about China, which is suppose to prove that its a complete "slave" nation with "supressed" people, and horrible living standards, and that the US is "best" and "free".
    No, it is not. It is a substantive comparison of a pretty narrow issue. The copious nonsense you read into it is entirely your own, but again, it's wonderful propagandizing.

    I have my own ideas about things, you just repeat a bunch of ideas that other people have put on you.
    Sure. I don't agree with YOU, so I'm incapable of thinking for myself.
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