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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    I see. What do you do with the people who disagree?

    What do you do with the people who start an opposition party, in this one-party system?
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I see. What do you do with the people who disagree?

    What do you do with the people who start an opposition party, in this one-party system?
    Thats the whole point, there are no parties, everyone is independent and vote on case to case basis. Everyone just does what they think is best for the people and the country, rather than gang up to beat the other gang.
    The more complex question is, how can that function? How can we avoid people grouping together? Thats the complicated answer.

    Political reform, dedicated politicians, making parties/groupings illegal, surveillance of the political process and so on are a good beginning.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Thats the whole point, there are no parties, everyone is independent and vote on case to case basis. Everyone just does what they think is best for the people and the country, rather than gang up to beat the other gang.
    The more complex question is, how can that function? How can we avoid people grouping together? Thats the complicated answer.

    Political reform, dedicated politicians, making parties/groupings illegal, surveillance of the political process and so on are a good beginning.
    And you call the US Government Nazi's.

    "On 7th April 1933, Nazi officials were put in charge of all local government in the provinces.

    On July 14th 1933, a law was passed making it illegal to form a new political party. It also made the Nazi Party the only legal political party in Germany.
    " - ::Nazi Germany - Dictatorship::

    Your plan would put us one step closer to dictatorship, much like China.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And you call the US Government Nazi's.

    "On 7th April 1933, Nazi officials were put in charge of all local government in the provinces.

    On July 14th 1933, a law was passed making it illegal to form a new political party. It also made the Nazi Party the only legal political party in Germany.
    " - ::Nazi Germany - Dictatorship::

    Your plan would put us one step closer to dictatorship, much like China.
    No, because I want politics to be under surveillance by the people, and I want the one party to have no agenda, just to make a status for making multi parties illegal, and have all politicians be independent under a party that work for the people and the state.
    China is a better version of political rule than the US for example. All they want is to do whats best for the people and the state, as opposed to the US where two parties bicker against each other and forget that their job is to work for the best of the people and the state.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    No, because I want politics to be under surveillance by the people, and I want the one party to have no agenda, just to make a status for making multi parties illegal, and have all politicians be independent under a party that work for the people and the state.
    Which leads (according to history) right to fascism, plain and simple. Yes face facts you want exactly what Hitler and Mussolini wanted. A nazi or fascist dictatorship.

    Take a look at what you want, it is exactly the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    China is a better version of political rule than the US for example. All they want is to do whats best for the people and the state, as opposed to the US where two parties bicker against each other and forget that their job is to work for the best of the people and the state.


    "Yang Fude, vice-president of Beijing Hui Long Guan Hospital, said China is the only country where suicides among women outnumber men.

    It is also one of the few countries where rural suicides outnumber urban suicides," he said on World Suicide Prevention Day.

    Though suicide ranks fifth after cerebrovascular diseases (such as a stroke), bronchitis, chronic emphysema, liver cancer and pneumonia, it is the leading cause of death for people aged between 15 and 34.
    " - China's suicide rate among world's highest

    A Bastian of happiness and what is best for the people, a communist dictatorship.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

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    Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls | Markets | Hot Stocks | Reuters

    Flash estimates say another 700.000 jobs were lost in the US in December, making a probable new unemployment rate at the end of the year 2008 of 7.3%...

    How horrific..

    the US unemployment has now cought up with Europe, and is predicted to race by in a hurry. Europes unemployment has for a long time been in the 7ish % area, while that in the US was as low as 3.8% at the same time..

    I actually told all of you guys this some years ago, that it would happen, in some of my posts.. But no, you wouldnt listen..

    Atm, I would not be surprised to see a future total economic collapse in the US, especially as a result of other bad news that your government is going to have a 2 trillion$ deficit on the federal budget next year. Tax incomes in the US are 2.6 trillion. So 2 trillion in deficits seems quite scary. People will just rush to wherever they can to have their US assets withdrawn, which will again lead to further decline..

    I fear you are stuck in a bad downward spiral, which seems unlikely it will ever stop. And you are dragging other economies with you, Europe for example who is also experiencing economic setbacks, and China with slower growth, while the overall world economy will only grow around 2.5% next year.
    This can`t possibly have anything to do with our failing economy. Outsourceing strenghtens America by keeping corporations and investors economicly healthy.If they`re healthy those of us who have lost our jobs to the MONEY WHORES will be healthy. Thats what the media said....

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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And you call the US Government Nazi's.

    "On 7th April 1933, Nazi officials were put in charge of all local government in the provinces.

    On July 14th 1933, a law was passed making it illegal to form a new political party. It also made the Nazi Party the only legal political party in Germany.
    " - ::Nazi Germany - Dictatorship::

    Your plan would put us one step closer to dictatorship, much like China.
    DOG : When the EUs speak socialism and communism issue from their mouths.I am so glad for forums like DP where you get a first hand look at what societies are really about. Thank you much for the NAZI HISTORY LESSON/refresher course...lest we forget. I think the Germans hated the jews similarly to the muslims and the Russians hatred of these seemingly docile people. Again ...lest we forget. I think I`m beginning to see why we`ve never become business partners to any greater degree with Europe.

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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Right. Never mind that the conditions which allow the "best traits" are often contradictory and mutually exclusive. "Efficiency," for example, comes from a lack of deliberation and an abundance of central autocracy, both of which are antithetical to freedom and choice.

    Of course, as you cite China and the EU as your top models, that probably doesn't concern you much. Besides, letting people decide too much for themselves about their lives only leads to the kinds of problems we have today, right? Best to leave that kind of decision-making to the people who know best, no?

    You wouldn't be the first to think you can create a kinder, gentler fascism; you won't be the last, and it's certain that more blood will one day be spilled defeating yet another attempt, which will inevitably go the same way all the others have.

    And it will probably have originated in the mind of a bored Euro who disdains the bourgeois, as it always does. Hmmm.

    But I know . . . you have it all figured out, right? You know how to make it "work," right? This time, I'm SURE, it'll be different.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Harshaw, just wanted to point out that China is not a fascist nation, but a one-party rule system. There is a big difference. Fascism relies upon a single leader to call all the shots. The communist party in China still votes on things collectively, and one person does not make all the decisions.

    Maximus, if you really are looking to China as a model, then you'll also want to look at how rife with corruption the Chinese system is right now. Aside from the human rights issues, there is high level embezzlement that happens all the time. It's ironic really, that embezzlement is punishable by death here, yet the top of communists with their connections to the corporate infrastructure all get a cut, routinely. It makes the system rather inefficient.

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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Harshaw, just wanted to point out that China is not a fascist nation, but a one-party rule system. There is a big difference. Fascism relies upon a single leader to call all the shots. The communist party in China still votes on things collectively, and one person does not make all the decisions.

    Maximus, if you really are looking to China as a model, then you'll also want to look at how rife with corruption the Chinese system is right now. Aside from the human rights issues, there is high level embezzlement that happens all the time. It's ironic really, that embezzlement is punishable by death here, yet the top of communists with their connections to the corporate infrastructure all get a cut, routinely. It makes the system rather inefficient.
    Did I ever say we should adopt the Chinese system? Didnt I say 5 times or so between these posts that we should create hybrid systems, which takes the best of each type of model from the past and the current? One thing to snap up from the Chinese model is their one party system and "working for the nation" attitude, rather than political bickering between groups.

    I can mention a dusin things we should take from the US/European models and dusins of things from the EU and hundreds of things from past models.. Dont get me wrong, but you are wrong in your assumptions about me, but most likely because I am too lazy to explain my views completely, something that would requite huge postings and a lot of extra philosophy on my side to correctly phrase it. I am better with brain than words.

    But surely, none of this is relevant for the post we are within..
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