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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You really did not address most of what I posted, but I understand the huge and multiple facets of this talk.

    As for your "plan" I am willing to bet it is more socialism, a proven failure in the long run.
    Nah, socialism is most likely the reason why European economies are so resilient even when the US and the UK is collapsing. Higher general state spending, more generous welfare and layoff programs and so on stimulates the economy in times of trouble. This is part of the reason why Europe is more stable, alongside other more obvious reasons such as fiscal responsibility.

    As for socialism, Europe has proven that a socialis-capitalist economy functions greatly. We now just need to add "state prestige programs" similar to those of communism into the mix, to build a future capitalist system that will forever hold strong and be stable.
    Capitalism alone is fragile like a house of card in a breeze. But we all know a breeze is not the strongest type of wind, do we not?
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Here's the dilio, Maximus . . .

    I actually happen to agree that the US suffers from internal rot, and it's getting worse.

    But it's the same rot which metastasized in Europe long before it was widespread here (and, by the way, it's reflected in just about everything having to do with the EU). It's only the United States supporting Europe economically, medically, culturally, and militarily which has allowed it to limp along for this long. If you doubt this, then you are in a sublime level of denial.

    We may well collapse from that rot. But if we do, the rest of of what's left of Western culture will as well, and the barbarians will rule. It will not be the first time it happened in history.

    So, be careful what you wish for.


    Thats about the funniest and most unfactual thing I have ever heard.. The European economy is bigger than the US, our industry is bigger, our manufacturing base and our exports.. What makes you believe that the reality is not that we are totally dependent on each other, rather than "United States supporting Europe economically, medically, culturally, and militarily".. I could also add that we have a similar sized chemical and pharmaceutical industry, and a total military capability which is second in the world only to the US..

    I think you are delusional.. The EU is what is actually removing the rot from Europe, there is no such thing in the US, you just keep rottening. But I agree, the problem is with the western models of capitalism and democracy, which both are rotting the most, and thats not just an American problem, but also a European problem, just slightly less since we are less capitalistic, more state planned and more socialistic.

    The EU is the most flexible, modern and adaptive type of government there is, the Chinese government lands a good second place, while European national governments and the US falls further and further down the list.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The EU is the most flexible, modern and adaptive type of government there is, the Chinese government lands a good second place . . .
    WOW. I think that's all we need to know about where you're coming from.

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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    WOW. I think that's all we need to know about where you're coming from.

    Do you not agree that the EU is not the most modern form of government there is? Its currently developing, while for example the US government is stagnant in lack of reform and old traditions, alongside most national governments in Europe.

    In Norway we do not obey much to the EU government at all, yet our society is the most under performing and unambitious in the western world. Yes, we have oil money, and yes it makes us rich, yet compared to potential Norway is the western country which fares worst of all, and I personally blame a government with lack of progress, stuck in traditions and now having become a circus democracy, this government is doing us no good at all. We could build a nation for the future, yet we are stuck in actual stagnation in most ways. Look at our oil brothers in the Arab Emirates for a completely opposite type of governance, yes it is not democratic, but its far better governed than Norway, far more ambitious and having far more progress and development than us, they are building a nation for the future, we are stuck in traditions and sinking in democracy and amateur governance, ruled by morons.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Do you not agree that the EU is not the most modern form of government there is? Its currently developing, while for example the US government is stagnant in lack of reform and old traditions, alongside most national governments in Europe.

    In Norway we do not obey much to the EU government at all, yet our society is the most under performing and unambitious in the western world. Yes, we have oil money, and yes it makes us rich, yet compared to potential Norway is the western country which fares worst of all, and I personally blame a government with lack of progress, stuck in traditions and now having become a circus democracy, this government is doing us no good at all. We could build a nation for the future, yet we are stuck in actual stagnation in most ways. Look at our oil brothers in the Arab Emirates for a completely opposite type of governance, yes it is not democratic, but its far better governed than Norway, far more ambitious and having far more progress and development than us, they are building a nation for the future, we are stuck in traditions and sinking in democracy and amateur governance, ruled by morons.
    You just, to the letter, described, justified, and praised the fascist movements and governments of the 1920s and '30s, and in fact used the exact language of their propaganda and the rhetoric of their fervent supporters.

    If that's what you want us to follow, then indeed, there is no reason to listen to you.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You just, to the letter, described, justified, and praised the fascist movements and governments of the 1920s and '30s, and in fact used the exact language of their propaganda and the rhetoric of their fervent supporters.

    If that's what you want us to follow, then indeed, there is no reason to listen to you.
    Yet we live in 2009, and I draw my opinions from ALL current and past models.. I like to refer to myself as one who collects the best from everywhere and largely complains about the worst and want to get rid of that.

    We need hybrid models.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yet we live in 2009, and I draw my opinions from ALL current and past models.. I like to refer to myself as one who collects the best from everywhere and largely complains about the worst and want to get rid of that.

    We need hybrid models.
    Yeah. And the people who said that in the 20th century slaughtered 150 million people, not even counting the wars.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah. And the people who said that in the 20th century slaughtered 150 million people, not even counting the wars.
    Well, Hitler actually did some good things as well. He rebuilt the economy of Germany from the brink of collapse, and built the worlds best infrastructure.

    I am saying its actually possible to do all those things without killing 150 million people, you believe its not. How absurd.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Well, Hitler actually did some good things as well. He rebuilt the economy of Germany from the brink of collapse, and built the worlds best infrastructure.

    I am saying its actually possible to do all those things without killing 150 million people, you believe its not. How absurd.
    Yes. You're saying that there can cuddly, fuzzy fascism.
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    Re: Private job losses mount, ominous for payrolls

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yes. You're saying that there can cuddly, fuzzy fascism.
    Not really.. I dont want fascism at all. I want hybrid models for politics and economics of nations which draws the best traits from each model.
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