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    Re: Joe the Plumber to become war correspondent

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I think welfare should be a state issue, not a federal one. If a state wants to have welfare, they would need to fund it form their own taxes. Of course, this would probably mean that most rich people who would receive the brunt of the taxes would move, but so be it. That would be the result of it.
    Make it illegal for rich people to move.

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    Re: Joe the Plumber to become war correspondent

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Make it illegal for rich people to move.
    LOL. That would be something I'd fight tooth and nail because agian, it removes choice.
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    Re: Joe the Plumber to become war correspondent

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    LOL. That would be something I'd fight tooth and nail because agian, it removes choice.
    Yes, well -- its probably crossed the mind of more than one liberal.

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    Re: Joe the Plumber to become war correspondent

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes, well -- its probably crossed the mind of more than one liberal.
    Maybe you should outlaw liberals.
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    Re: Joe the Plumber to become war correspondent

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes, well -- its probably crossed the mind of more than one liberal.
    Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if that type of legislation were be proposed in the given scenario, but I don't think it would ever pass.
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    Re: Joe the Plumber to become war correspondent

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    He's pretty liberal in regards to many other issues as well. "Social conservativism", when applied federally, is really just liberalism from the other side of the fence.

    For example, a constitutional ban on gay marriage is liberal as it sees moral issues as being something that should be dictated to the states instead of being dictated by the states.

    The myth that being socially conservative is somehow also politically conservative is exactly how the neo-cons got ahold of the party.

    One can be a social conservative as well as being politically conservative, just as one can be socially liberal while still remaining politically conservative.

    The two things are not connected.

    I get called a liberal, even though I'm anti-federalist, which is very politically conservative, simply because I have no issue with my state allowing abortion or allowing gay marriage and such.

    I'll argue philosophically on the reasons in favor of these issues, but I would never argue for a national standard regarding these issues because of the 9th and 10th amendments.

    For example, I'm against Roe v Wade, but not because I disagree with abortion (i.e. NOT because I disagree with the right it grants), but instead because I disagree with the rights it REMOVES (i.e. the rights of the states to decide the issue). Even though I personally am in favor of abortion rights in my state, I do not think the methodology of grranting those rights in my state are appropriate. It should be solely within the realm of the state to decide.

    This view puts me firmly on the side of conservativism, not liberalism. Although the lines have been blurred to the point where I get labelled incorrectly more often than not.

    Bush has never shown me that he is anything but a liberal in nature.
    You're too damn complex, Tuck!

    With regards to the gay marriage issue, this is how I, as a conservative, reconcile. COTUS Article IV Section I First Part requires each State to grant "full faith and credit" of whacko Massachusetts and California laws; therefore Congress needs to negate the offending acts for the other States via Article IV Section I Second Part.

    Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts,
    Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress
    may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and
    Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
    An amendment ain't necessary.

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    Re: Joe the Plumber to become war correspondent

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Personally, I agree as well, and I would lobby my local government to take such a stance, but I don't feel that my views should hold any sway in, let's say, Texas. Thus, I do not think that I have a right to enforce my view on morality there.

    But if a law is passed that bans dancing from all people of all genders or races, then it is OK.
    What is really the difference if dancing is prohibited locally or at the state level or at the federal. The way I see it it is still a forced morality of one group on another. The only difference is scale.

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    Re: Joe the Plumber to become war correspondent

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What is really the difference if dancing is prohibited locally or at the state level or at the federal. The way I see it it is still a forced morality of one group on another. The only difference is scale.
    Its pretty clear that forcing morality on others is unacceptable only when you disagree with the morality being forced.

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    Re: Joe the Plumber to become war correspondent

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What is really the difference if dancing is prohibited locally or at the state level or at the federal. The way I see it it is still a forced morality of one group on another. The only difference is scale.
    The difference is if the Feds did it they broke the highest law in the nation and the People have no recourse except to go through an onerous process of voting the old bums out and having the new bums change the law. If the States do it they might break their own Constitutional laws, but those affected can simply opt out and move to another State. *shrug*

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    Re: Joe the Plumber to become war correspondent

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its pretty clear that forcing morality on others is unacceptable only when you disagree with the morality being forced.
    If there is an absence of an anti dancing law does that force anti dancers to dance the night away?

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