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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Thank you Binary...its nice that despite some posters claiming they provided what I asked for "Three times", someone was able to produce the actual full transcript instead of just snipping something out of it that, outside of context, kind of proves their point.

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    I'll watch, but to mimic your attitude real quick in regards to IT in another thread just providing entire threads to you when he was asking for something specific....

    Is there a specific point in this youtube video I should be watching for, a specific line of conversation, etc? Its 7 minutes, and going to go watch it now, but some direction would be helpful.

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Let me continue:


    Barack Obama, December 27, 2007:
    "The real gamble in this election is playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expecting a different result."





    Note this was during the primaries and this statment was directed towards hill-dog.....





    some more"


    "DES MOINES, Iowa - Barack Obama declared today he’s the only candidate who can bring true change in Washington, hoping to persuade Iowa voters to give him the first victory in the Democratic presidential race.

    Making his case against Hillary Rodham Clinton without naming her, Obama said, "The real gamble in this election is playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expecting a different result.""



    Obama says Iowa voters should end Washington’s ’food fight’ - BostonHerald.com
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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Nevermind, found it :P

    Okay, first hte question is for his response to clintons claim that fiscal responsibility isn't a priority for him.

    He states people are looking for someone that will solve problems and not resort to the same typical politics in washington. Again, this is not stating he's going to put people into power that have nothing to ever have done with washington or have no experience in Washington.

    A "change in politics" could be a change in theory (A business manager in the lead of the CIA instead of a intelligence person).

    Or it could be that he's meaning in regards to how you respond to other people with typical untrue (in his mind) political attacks. (as you can see by this, he then immedietely goes into talking about a number of attacks by Clinton against him taht he says are untrue, backing this possability up).

    Not to mention, he states its what people are wanting not necessarily what he's going to do.

    Once again, if that is what you're referencing, you're simply proving my point. You are hearing his words and ASSUMING you know EXACTLY what he means or what he is stating there. You are placing meaning onto his words that he does not state, and then using that meaning to claim he is lieing. (By you, more the generic you there).

    His exact words:

    "I think that part of what the people are looking for right now is somebody that is going to solve problems and not resort to the same typical politics that we've seen in washington. That is something that I hear all across the country. So, when President clinton says I wasn't opposed to the war from the start or says that its a fairy tale that I opposed the war, that is simply not true." (Then he goes on to state some more claims of what he says is "not true").

    Now, MY assumption there would be, based on the CONTEXT of it, that he's talking about the politics of making accusations that are untrue in attempts to score political points and slander your opponents. However, I don't know what the "question" at the bottom of the screen exactly is refering too and more than that I don't know what is in his head.

    What I do know is that nothing he said there indicates that he made a promise or a statement that he was going to put into power only those that had no washington experience or only those that were not previously involved with other administrations.

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'll watch, but to mimic your attitude real quick in regards to IT in another thread just providing entire threads to you when he was asking for something specific....

    Is there a specific point in this youtube video I should be watching for, a specific line of conversation, etc? Its 7 minutes, and going to go watch it now, but some direction would be helpful.


    right in the beginning, then FF past hill-dog around 5 mins, then keep ff again till you see obama...
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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    are we out of synch or did you miss my piece de resistance?



    "DES MOINES, Iowa - Barack Obama declared today hes the only candidate who can bring true change in Washington, hoping to persuade Iowa voters to give him the first victory in the Democratic presidential race.

    Making his case against Hillary Rodham Clinton without naming her, Obama said, "The real gamble in this election is playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expecting a different result."


    Obama says Iowa voters should end Washington’s ’food fight’ - BostonHerald.com
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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    "DES MOINES, Iowa - Barack Obama declared today hes the only candidate who can bring true change in Washington, hoping to persuade Iowa voters to give him the first victory in the Democratic presidential race.

    Making his case against Hillary Rodham Clinton without naming her, Obama said, "The real gamble in this election is playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expecting a different result.""
    And again here, the same thing. Even more here it seems he's specifically making the case against HILLARY, saying that people shouldn't play the gamble in THIS ELECTION by voting for the "same washington players" that have been playing throughout this entire "mess" in his mind of the past 8 years (which hillary has been).

    Look, I'm flat out saying, I don't know his intent. I don't know his meanings. I can read his context and come to a conclussion. And so can you. We come to different conclussions. And that's fine...

    But that is NO DIFFERENT than what the liberals have been doing to Bush for years to justify their "He's lying" campaign. Now, personally, I like to be constant. I like to use logic the same across the board and not pick and choose when I use it. His words can be construed a number of ways and to me, the only way he can be "lying" is if people are purposefully adding qualifiers to what he says or are assuming he's meaning something that he NEVER explicitly states...which is the same thing people have been doing to Bush. I don't call Bush a liar, and I'm not calling Obama one. Not in this case at least.

    Neither of these at all show where he has specifically stated that the people he will appoint to government will have no previous washington experience or will not be a portion of any past administration, which is the impression I'm getting from many of those that are saying he's "lying" by doing this very crappy appointment.

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    is he "lying"? i don't think thats the point. he made a clear campaign promise of change, then picked the very antagonist against that change for sec state.... to me it sends a message that the campaign of change was a prevarication at best and that he while maybe he is now being pragmatic, is doing exactly what he campaigned against.


    This pick for example is not that he picked someone inexperienced, this is a fact. the issue here is it is yet another clinton retread, or as he charged against hillary "same old washington politics".....


    There is no "change".


    See he is "playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expecting a different result." This is precisley what he campaigned against.
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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Moderator's Warning:
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    It wasn't the whole transcript, but it was more than 2 paragraphs so I'm still a DP delinquent. My bad.

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