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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Asking someone who has never built a car to build a car is stupid.
    Akin to asking someone with no experience in the intelligence field to head the CIA?
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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    aps is doing nothing different than what many republicans did with Bush, giving him the benefit of the doubt and seeing how things go. Hell, look at bhkad's defense of "Brownie" up above to see that what aps is doing is hardly new and isn't something I can really blame her for. I think its an idiotic pick, but really when it comes down to it we don't know all the reasons the pick was done and how it will turn out.
    aps is deluding himself thinking that by waiting and seeing how things work out that it will change the fact that Obama promised change and new blood and has totally reversed himself.

    As to the "lied to thing", seeing some republicans on here that are in the steadfast "bush never lied" camp calling this a "lie" is laughable. They seem to use "lie" in one context with their guys and use it in a different ones for others.
    Hmmm...I see you flailing.

    Obama made unequivocal statements, such as NAFTA, divided Jerusalem, FISA, telco immunity and he completely reversed himself. Obama was in control of what his promises were and what he ntended to do.

    OTOH, Bush made statements based on the intelligence analysis he received. Some of the analysis was inaccurate. That's not lying. That's being wrong.

    Do you have a point?

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Akin to asking someone with no experience in the intelligence field to head the CIA?
    Now, now, he's going to see wait and see...

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    aps is doing nothing different than what many republicans did with Bush, giving him the benefit of the doubt and seeing how things go. Hell, look at bhkad's defense of "Brownie" up above to see that what aps is doing is hardly new and isn't something I can really blame her for. I think its an idiotic pick, but really when it comes down to it we don't know all the reasons the pick was done and how it will turn out.
    Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama: I'm willing to drop out of the race if you give me Secretary of State and make Leon Panetta CIA director.



    As to the "lied to thing", seeing some republicans on here that are in the steadfast "bush never lied" camp calling this a "lie" is laughable. They seem to use "lie" in one context with their guys and use it in a different ones for others.

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Akin to asking someone with no experience in the intelligence field to head the CIA?
    Touche! Brilliant comeback!

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    aps is deluding himself thinking that by waiting and seeing how things work out that it will change the fact that Obama promised change and new blood and has totally reversed himself.



    Hmmm...I see you flailing.

    Obama made unequivocal statements, such as NAFTA, divided Jerusalem, FISA, telco immunity and he completely reversed himself. Obama was in control of what his promises were and what he ntended to do.

    OTOH, Bush made statements based on the intelligence analysis he received. Some of the analysis was inaccurate. That's not lying. That's being wrong.

    Do you have a point?
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    Vent over.

    Where's the Obama quote involving "new blood"?

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Personally, I look at it as expecting the liberals/Dems to hold their candidate to the same standards they hed Bush.
    And doing such from a hypocritical stance doesn't work. You can't demand the liberals/dems to hold their candidate to the same standards as Bush when you yourself are holding Obama to a higher standard than you held Bush.

    (The "you's" above being the general "you" not the "you specifically you goobieman" type "you" )

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And doing such from a hypocritical stance doesn't work. You can't demand the liberals/dems to hold their candidate to the same standards as Bush when you yourself are holding Obama to a higher standard than you held Bush.

    (The "you's" above being the general "you" not the "you specifically you goobieman" type "you" )



    I would rather NOT derail this thread, but what specifically did Bush lie about?
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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I AM A WOMAN!

    Vent over.

    Where's the Obama quote involving "new blood"?
    Did your hormonal outrage blind you? I posted:
    "We canít afford to play the same Washington games with the same Washington players and expect a different result." (April 2008 - Indiana concession speech)

    Did you just overlook that?

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And doing such from a hypocritical stance doesn't work. You can't demand the liberals/dems to hold their candidate to the same standards as Bush when you yourself are holding Obama to a higher standard than you held Bush.

    (The "you's" above being the general "you" not the "you specifically you goobieman" type "you" )
    Where is the hypocrisy?

    I resist the argument that Bush lied because such an argument fails the basic test - it cannot demonstrate that Bush knew that the intelligence reports since the early 1990s were inaccurate.

    I mean, you can argue he was wrong, that his rhetoric exaggerated the threat (though you'd have a hard time convincing me that his rhetoric was unique when comparing to John "imminent threat" Rockefeller - chair of the SSCI), or he/his administration improperly chose to highlight the wmd threat.

    But "lie." Puhlease.

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