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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

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    I haven't felt lied to. I don't understand some of his choices, but I am open to waiting to see what happens. I still fully support Obama and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. In my heart, I don't see that he would give jobs to people who he doesn't believe are qualified after seeing what that had done for Bush (Katrina).
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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    So Obama promises to bring in fresh blood, yet, his current nominations hardly reflect such a transfusion of new blood. Instead, he's hiring Clinton retreads.

    And you don't think this represents a complete reversal of his promises to do away with the insiders, to not play politics as usual?

    You're fooling yourself. Waiting to see what happens doesn't change the fact that Obama has completely reversed himself.
    It's possible to disagree with a lot of the appointments he's made so far and still give him the benefit of the doubt until he actually takes office.
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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Your opinion is a total duck. Waiting to see what happens is not at all relevant to the question of Obama's promises to bring in fresh blood. You're just kicking the can down road and deluding yourself.

    That you could not/would not argue that this or his other nominations are not deviations from his promises kinda reveals what you're really doing.

    And, yes, that is my opinion of your opinion.
    Can you provide me the quote where he said he was going to bring in "new blood"?

    Asking someone who has never built a car to build a car is stupid. Why he would solely pick outsiders to make changes to Washington when outsiders don't know how Washington works is stupid as well. I don't know if he said he was bringing in new blood as opposed to changing the way Washinton works. I can understand the perception of how the same ol' same ol' can't change Washington, but I'm willing to wait this out.

    I don't remember going nuts over every one of George Bush's choices when he won in 2000. I waited to see how things would play out. I definitely wanted Gore to win, but I wasn't heartbroken that Gore did not win based on Bush's record as governor in Texas. Little did I know what we were in for. Nevertheless, I gave him the benefit of the doubt back then too.

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I haven't felt lied to. I don't understand some of his choices, but I am open to waiting to see what happens. I still fully support Obama and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. In my heart, I don't see that he would give jobs to people who he doesn't believe are qualified after seeing what that had done for Bush (Katrina).



    Hmm things ARE happening yet you are still "waiting"?
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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Hmm things ARE happening yet you are still "waiting"?
    Oh come on, Reverend. Obama hasn't even taken office, and his appointments have not gone through the senate.

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Oh come on, Reverend. Obama hasn't even taken office, and his appointments have not gone through the senate.



    But these ARE his appointments....



    Tell me, if you saw one guy choose a corvette, and your guy choose a stock chevette, would you state you want to wait and see who is going to win a race before saying something?
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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    It's possible to disagree with a lot of the appointments he's made so far and still give him the benefit of the doubt until he actually takes office.
    Benefit of the doubt about what?

    Certainly not his promise to bring in new blood.

    And why does Obama deserve such a benefit given that he lied with impunity during the primary and general elections? Whether it was FISA and telco immunity, unilaterally reopening NAFTA, repealing Bush's tax cuts, taking public campaign dollars, partial birth abortion, divided Jerusalem, etc., etc.

    Why should we give him any benefit of the doubt here regarding his declaration, "We canít afford to play the same Washington games with the same Washington players and expect a different result." (April 2008)

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    aps is doing nothing different than what many republicans did with Bush, giving him the benefit of the doubt and seeing how things go. Hell, look at bhkad's defense of "Brownie" up above to see that what aps is doing is hardly new and isn't something I can really blame her for. I think its an idiotic pick, but really when it comes down to it we don't know all the reasons the pick was done and how it will turn out.

    As to the "lied to thing", seeing some republicans on here that are in the steadfast "bush never lied" camp calling this a "lie" is laughable. They seem to use "lie" in one context with their guys and use it in a different ones for others.

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Can you provide me the quote where he said he was going to bring in "new blood"?
    "We canít afford to play the same Washington games with the same Washington players and expect a different result." (April 2008 - Indiana concession speech)

    Asking someone who has never built a car to build a car is stupid. Why he would solely pick outsiders to make changes to Washington when outsiders don't know how Washington works is stupid as well. I don't know if he said he was bringing in new blood as opposed to changing the way Washinton works. I can understand the perception of how the same ol' same ol' can't change Washington, but I'm willing to wait this out.
    He was campaigning to bring change to Washington, to change the game, to change the players.

    He's totally reversed himself.

    I don't remember going nuts over every one of George Bush's choices when he won in 2000. I waited to see how things would play out.
    But Obama railed against the Washington game played with the same Washington players and declared that it would end with an Obama administration.

    Then, when elected, he completely reverses himself.

    I definitely wanted Gore to win, but I wasn't heartbroken that Gore did not win based on Bush's record as governor in Texas. Little did I know what we were in for. Nevertheless, I gave him the benefit of the doubt back then too.
    You're talking apples and oranges.

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    Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    aps is doing nothing different than what many republicans did with Bush, giving him the benefit of the doubt and seeing how things go. Hell, look at bhkad's defense of "Brownie" up above to see that what aps is doing is hardly new and isn't something I can really blame her for. I think its an idiotic pick, but really when it comes down to it we don't know all the reasons the pick was done and how it will turn out.

    As to the "lied to thing", seeing some republicans on here that are in the steadfast "bush never lied" camp calling this a "lie" is laughable. They seem to use "lie" in one context with their guys and use it in a different ones for others.
    Personally, I look at it as expecting the liberals/Dems to hold their candidate to the same standards they hed Bush.

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