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    Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    So, to all the people that whined and cried about Bush "militarizing space" with the NMD (and if you don't remember who you are, I do)...

    What do you think about this?

    Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- President-elect Barack Obama will probably tear down long-standing barriers between the U.S.’s civilian and military space programs to speed up a mission to the moon amid the prospect of a new space race with China.

    Obama’s transition team is considering a collaboration between the Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency’s planned launch vehicle, which isn’t slated to fly until 2015, according to people who’ve discussed the idea with the Obama team.

    The potential change comes as Pentagon concerns are rising over China’s space ambitions because of what is perceived as an eventual threat to U.S. defense satellites, the lofty battlefield eyes of the military.
    Bloomberg.com: Worldwide

    Wait... let me guess...
    This is different.

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So, to all the people that whined and cried about Bush "militarizing space" with the NMD (and if you don't remember who you are, I do)...

    What do you think about this?


    Bloomberg.com: Worldwide

    Wait... let me guess...
    This is different.
    Why the **** do we even need to go back to the moon. Been there once, ain't **** there. China can go look for themselves if they want. The moon is worthless. It would only be good for maybe longer maned flights since you don't need to break free of the earths gravity fully. But there's nothing there, no resources of any kind. So regardless, things would have to be shipped from Earth to the moon.

    I think NASA needs to be divorced from the Executive branch.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why the **** do we even need to go back to the moon. Been there once, ain't **** there. China can go look for themselves if they want. The moon is worthless. It would only be good for maybe longer maned flights since you don't need to break free of the earths gravity fully. But there's nothing there, no resources of any kind. So regardless, things would have to be shipped from Earth to the moon.

    I think NASA needs to be divorced from the Executive branch.
    I think you missed the point...

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So, to all the people that whined and cried about Bush "militarizing space" with the NMD (and if you don't remember who you are, I do)...

    What do you think about this?


    Bloomberg.com: Worldwide

    Wait... let me guess...
    This is different.
    Two similar technologies operating completely separate from one another, that seems....wasteful. As long as he doesn't weaponize space (something he campaigned on) I see this as a good, logical change.

    It is also a good way to match China's space initiatives without having to increase NASA's funding.

    I see this as the difference between weaponizing space and preparing for weaponized space. If China continues with plans to target satellite warfare I expect Obama to respond as any reasonable person would.

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Two similar technologies operating completely separate from one another, that seems....wasteful. As long as he doesn't weaponize space (something he campaigned on) I see this as a good, logical change.
    Oh.... so, this IS different, as "Weaponizing" space and "militarizing" space are not the same thing.

    Apparently, its OK to militarize space so long as that doesn't include weapons.



    Of course, this then begs the question:
    How does the NMD weaponize space?
    Last edited by Goobieman; 01-05-09 at 02:44 PM.

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I think you missed the point...
    No I got the point. I just see a bigger fundamental problem. That being NASA is controlled by the Executive. If the President says "I want a manned mission to Mars", NASA must work on a manned mission to Mars, regardless of the scientific credibility or feasibility of the project. Thus I think NASA should be divorced from the Executive and let the scientists worry about what to study. We'd get more done.

    I think that combining NASA and the military would be horrible and couldn't lead to anything good. Plus I don't really think we should weaponize space. In the end, I think this is an effort for Obama to try to get back into some sort of race, in this case manned moon missions with China. But on that front, I don't see a point. There's nothing of value on the moon and we've already been there.
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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Oh.... so, this IS different, as "Weaponizing" space and "militarizing" space are not the same thing.

    Apparently, its OK to militarize space so long as that doesn't include weapons.



    Of course, this then begs the question:
    How does the NMD weaponize space?
    To use your phrase...

    "I think you missed the point"

    Allowing two organizations using similar technologies to share is not the same as militarization/weaponization. I did not mean to distinguish between the two or create a separate terminology for Obama.

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    It is also a good way to match China's space initiatives without having to increase NASA's funding.

    I see this as the difference between weaponizing space and preparing for weaponized space. If China continues with plans to target satellite warfare I expect Obama to respond as any reasonable person would.


    Hmmm, so we just wait until after China develops technologies to weaponzie space and then we respond...with developing similar technology presumably? And that is rational how?

    Why wait? What? China's going to get mad and do what? Exactly what they were planning to do anyway?

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No I got the point. I just see a bigger fundamental problem. That being NASA is controlled by the Executive. If the President says "I want a manned mission to Mars", NASA must work on a manned mission to Mars, regardless of the scientific credibility or feasibility of the project. Thus I think NASA should be divorced from the Executive and let the scientists worry about what to study. We'd get more done.
    Um, no. The president cannot simply direct NASA to start conducting research on whatever he likes. As you should already know, NASA cannot conduct such research unless it has the funding to do so. The President cannot and does not have the authority to reprogram appropriations made by Congress. Hence, Congress would have to authorize the expenditure of dollars on such a program and then appropriate the actual funding.

    That you didn't know this kinda wrecks your credibility here.

    I think that combining NASA and the military would be horrible and couldn't lead to anything good.
    Uh, your inability to think is irrelevant.

    Plus I don't really think we should weaponize space. In the end, I think this is an effort for Obama to try to get back into some sort of race, in this case manned moon missions with China. But on that front, I don't see a point. There's nothing of value on the moon and we've already been there.
    Why do you think Obama is pursung some race to the moon? Or are you just, you know, talking off the cuff, again?

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post


    Hmmm, so we just wait until after China develops technologies to weaponzie space and then we respond...with developing similar technology presumably? And that is rational how?

    Why wait? What? China's going to get mad and do what? Exactly what they were planning to do anyway?
    Some people realize that the Cold War has lapsed and there are opportunities for diplomacy and peace.

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