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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Militarize
    1 : to give a military character to
    2 : to equip with military forces and defenses
    3 : to adapt for military use

    I guess I see your argument of semantics. Joining the two branches seems to give NASA more of a military character....but as I, and I think many others, understand it, the affinity to the term ends there.

    Weaponization of space is what was spoken out against. If you look at the argument instead of focusing on the word I think you will see this.
    Aha.
    So the militarization of space is, in and of itself, OK.
    Its the weaponization that you disagree with.

    So... how does the NMD weaponize space?

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    I see. So you impute to me a "mindset" then decode everything I post via this mindset decoder ring you possess, and then post whatever pops out?

    I simply asked you why the US should wait until after China prepares herself to prepare itself?

    And your response it...I'm of the Cold War mentality and I don't get how ridiculous it is to believe that weaponizing space will protect me (an argument that I have not even made)?

    You're intellectually dishonest.

    I just did.

    Well?
    I need no decoder to see the Cold War mindset within you. It was apparent with your first post. I apologize that it is simply easier to give the example than explain to you again your line of reasoning's place in history.

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Aha.
    So the militarization of space is, in and of itself, OK.
    Its the weaponization that you disagree with.

    So... how does the NMD weaponize space?
    No, I simply said I agree that merging of the branches gives NASA somewhat of a military character to it. To most this does not necessarily militarize space. The logical mind would recognize that the characterization is not fitting.

    Since the argument is against hypothetical future involvement in space, perhaps you would be so kind as to outline as to the scope that the NMD would use space.

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I need no decoder to see the Cold War mindset within you. It was apparent with your first post. I apologize that it is simply easier to give the example than explain to you again your line of reasoning's place in history.
    So you just divine it?

    How was such apparent in my first post? I merely asked why wait. And you divined from that a cold war mindset? Puhlease.

    Oh, I see, so asking "why wait" evinces a cold war mentality that says what...exactly?

    I thought I was simply asking why wait to prepare for a threat until that threat has already presented itself?

    I'm glad you're here to inform me what I am really thinking...

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    No, I simply said I agree that merging of the branches gives NASA somewhat of a military character to it. To most this does not necessarily militarize space.
    Didn't you provide:
    Militarize
    1 : to give a military character to
    As your primary definition of militarize?
    Given that, how can you argue that it isnt 'really' militarization?

    Since the argument is against hypothetical future involvement in space, perhaps you would be so kind as to outline as to the scope that the NMD would use space.
    It doesnt use space any more than it has been used since the late 1950s.

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    So you just divine it?

    How was such apparent in my first post? I merely asked why wait. And you divined from that a cold war mindset? Puhlease.

    Oh, I see, so asking "why wait" evinces a cold war mentality that says what...exactly?

    I thought I was simply asking why wait to prepare for a threat until that threat has already presented itself?

    I'm glad you're here to inform me what I am really thinking...
    Since you insist on innocently questioning "why wait" and being attacked I'm forced to re-post your original comment.

    Hmmm, so we just wait until after China develops technologies to weaponzie space and then we respond...with developing similar technology presumably? And that is rational how?

    Why wait? What? China's going to get mad and do what? Exactly what they were planning to do anyway?
    See that last part? In four "questions" you gave me a clear insight into your rationale. You made assumptions out of fear and prejudice to validate your position.

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Didn't you provide:

    As your primary definition of militarize?
    Given that, how can you argue that it isnt 'really' militarization?


    It doesnt use space any more than it has been used since the late 1950s.
    A word is to be understood in context. Do you always limit yourself to the primary definition of a word?

    So the criticism of Bush "militarizing space" was empty and he did nothing to suggest the relationship of space and NMD might change?

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Since you insist on innocently questioning "why wait" and being attacked I'm forced to re-post your original comment.

    See that last part? In four "questions" you gave me a clear insight into your rationale. You made assumptions out of fear and prejudice to validate your position.
    That "last part" does not give any indication of any cold war mentality (whatever that is).

    What assumptions did I make? That you think we should avoid even preparing to militarize or weaponzie space to avoid offending the ChiComs?

    Why is that such an unreasonable assumption?

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    A word is to be understood in context. Do you always limit yourself to the primary definition of a word?
    Seems to me that, at worst, the primary definition you provided fits perfectly well.

    So the criticism of Bush "militarizing space" was empty and he did nothing to suggest the relationship of space and NMD might change?
    Um, no...
    The NMD 'weaponizes' space to the same degree as ICBMs and all the previous national missile defense programs. To argue that Bush wants to 'weaponize' space necessitates that it wasn't 'weaponized' before.

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

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    That's what I was thinking. How do we suddenly have the money for a race to the moon? Especially when we'll be borrowing the money to get there from the country we're racing against!!!
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