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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Allowing two organizations using similar technologies to share is not the same as militarization/weaponization. I did not mean to distinguish between the two or create a separate terminology for Obama.
    You said that "As long as he doesn't weaponize space..."

    Sounds like you're trying to draw a distinction between that and 'militarization', which is, unquestionably, what you do when you couple NASA and DoD efforts.

    And, again...this then begs the question:
    How does the NMD weaponize space?

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Some people realize that the Cold War has lapsed and there are opportunities for diplomacy and peace.
    What does this have to do with anything?

    I'm asking you why you think the US should restrain herself and wait until after a threat emerges before "preparing" for such a threat?

    BTW - why do you insist on completely (and deliberately, I think) misrepresent other poster's comments?

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    We've been "militarizing" space since Reagan, and it's not like Clinton shut it down.

    I'm definitely for it. Since the begining, really, nations have depended on Navies to enforce their will abroad. It'd be nice if instead we could shuttle Marines in and out of mild escalations without being dependent on foreign bases and ships, though that's definitely a ways off.
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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    So as we are in the "worst economy" since the depression, we need another trip to the moon?
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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You said that "As long as he doesn't weaponize space..."

    Sounds like you're trying to draw a distinction between that and 'militarization', which is, unquestionably, what you do when you couple NASA and DoD efforts.

    And, again...this then begs the question:
    How does the NMD weaponize space?
    Who brought up NMD? If it sounds like I'm trying to distinction I'm sorry, I am not. How does coupling NASA and DoD efforts necessarily militarize/weaponize space?

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    What does this have to do with anything?

    I'm asking you why you think the US should restrain herself and wait until after a threat emerges before "preparing" for such a threat?

    BTW - why do you insist on completely (and deliberately, I think) misrepresent other poster's comments?
    It has to do with the mindset that you maintain even now. The philosophy you stand by fueled the Cold War. It is ridiculous to believe that weaponizing space will protect you from China or Russia.

    Show me where I completely misrepresented another poster's comments and I'll apologize.

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    They are discussing the possibility of using military missiles as lauch vehicles. That's it. And yes, that is completely and utterly different than putting weapons in space

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Who brought up NMD?
    That's the issue under dicussion when people argue that Bush wants to militarize space.

    If it sounds like I'm trying to distinction I'm sorry, I am not.
    So, why is it OK to militarize so long as you do not weaponize?

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's the issue under dicussion when people argue that Bush wants to militarize space.


    So, why is it OK to militarize so long as you do not weaponize?
    Militarize
    1 : to give a military character to
    2 : to equip with military forces and defenses
    3 : to adapt for military use

    I guess I see your argument of semantics. Joining the two branches seems to give NASA more of a military character....but as I, and I think many others, understand it, the affinity to the term ends there.

    Weaponization of space is what was spoken out against. If you look at the argument instead of focusing on the word I think you will see this.

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    Re: Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    It has to do with the mindset that you maintain even now. The philosophy you stand by fueled the Cold War. It is ridiculous to believe that weaponizing space will protect you from China or Russia.
    I see. So you impute to me a "mindset" then decode everything I post via this mindset decoder ring you possess, and then post whatever pops out?

    I simply asked you why the US should wait until after China prepares herself to prepare itself?

    And your response it...I'm of the Cold War mentality and I don't get how ridiculous it is to believe that weaponizing space will protect me (an argument that I have not even made)?

    You're intellectually dishonest.

    Show me where I completely misrepresented another poster's comments and I'll apologize.
    I just did.

    Well?

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