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    Re: Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Sea ice anomaly is measured by the red line, but there are two others on that graph. Look at the legend: "daily sea ice area" and "daily sea ice mean".
    The article was about sea ice anomaly.

    Each year, millions of square kilometers of sea ice melt and refreeze. However, the mean ice anomaly -- defined as the seasonally-adjusted difference between the current value and the average from 1979-2000, varies much more slowly. That anomaly now stands at just under zero, a value identical to one recorded at the end of 1979, the year satellite record-keeping began.

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    Re: Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

    Well you have all officially intrigued me. Thanks for the fun facts.

    For the record, I don't know if sea ice has anything at all to do with climate change. I'd guess that how much ice builds up in the winter isn't as important as how much melts in the summer. Drastic changes in ocean levels can be detrimental. If the ice always builds up to the same level in the winter but melts more and more every year in the summer, I view that as a bad thing.
    Affiant further sayeth not.

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    Re: Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Well you have all officially intrigued me. Thanks for the fun facts.

    For the record, I don't know if sea ice has anything at all to do with climate change. I'd guess that how much ice builds up in the winter isn't as important as how much melts in the summer. Drastic changes in ocean levels can be detrimental. If the ice always builds up to the same level in the winter but melts more and more every year in the summer, I view that as a bad thing.
    In a nut shell yes.
    Sea ice and all other ice are clear indicators of just how much warming is going on, that they are melting at such an unprecedented rate in of itself is indication that something is going on.
    The best explaination to date is that of climate change, and the cause of that climate change is most deffinitively anthropogenic in origin.

    Additionally, if sea ice melts too much during the summer that's a double wammy, because dark open sea water absorbs solar radiation far more efficiently than highly reflective snow and ice.
    More energy absorbed equates to greater quantities of heat being trapped which equate to accelerated warming.
    The real big problem that has not been addressed with this past summer is that of La- Nina and an 11 year solar minimum.
    Solar activity this year was at it's 11 year minimum to which as all past data supports results in a cooler year; another is that this was a La-nina year - the two in combination resulted in a summer that was noticiably cooler and yet even with that together as we see from the snow and ice data the arctic still melted significantly. In two years we will see the solar maximum and a year after that we will see El Nino 2012,2013 those will be years that are quite warm which we can expect to see far less arctic ice coverage.
    This is why it is all so worrisome.

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    Re: Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

    Thanks for the rundown. The whole dark ocean vs. reflective ice part made sense.

    WHY ARE WE ARGUING ABOUT THIS!?! Why not just develop alternative energy? We know we need it, oil is running out. We get dual benefits for alternative fuels, more security and less pollution, since when is that bad?

    Boohoo, it costs a bit to get started. Big deal. So did Iraq. Didn't stop the conservatives from clamoring to go in. What's their big beef with spending only a fraction as much on global warming?
    Affiant further sayeth not.

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    Re: Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Thanks for the rundown. The whole dark ocean vs. reflective ice part made sense.

    WHY ARE WE ARGUING ABOUT THIS!?! Why not just develop alternative energy? We know we need it, oil is running out. We get dual benefits for alternative fuels, more security and less pollution, since when is that bad?

    Boohoo, it costs a bit to get started. Big deal. So did Iraq. Didn't stop the conservatives from clamoring to go in. What's their big beef with spending only a fraction as much on global warming?

    That's what Obama has planned, so let's hope he sticks to it.
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    Re: Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Thanks for the rundown. The whole dark ocean vs. reflective ice part made sense.

    WHY ARE WE ARGUING ABOUT THIS!?! Why not just develop alternative energy? We know we need it, oil is running out. We get dual benefits for alternative fuels, more security and less pollution, since when is that bad?

    Boohoo, it costs a bit to get started. Big deal. So did Iraq. Didn't stop the conservatives from clamoring to go in. What's their big beef with spending only a fraction as much on global warming?
    It's argued because of one simple reason, one political ideology never tapped onto it and on the insistence of needing to be right refuse to suck it up and admit they were wrong.
    Hence there's a new trend now, they still deny that there is such a thing as AGW and that it's "just a theory" but are now running on the line of "sustainable energy".
    I guess the ends justify the means and if it's a ways of acheiving the same goals so be it.

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    Re: Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

    This is all about nature proving scientist wrong.

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    Re: Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

    Rev, you have defied the great Green Pope Al Gore's gospel. (In Soup Nazi voice): No carbon credits for you!
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    Re: Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Rev, you have defied the great Green Pope Al Gore's gospel. (In Soup Nazi voice): No carbon credits for you!



    Speaking of, they are calling Obama's inaug the a "green event", though each person flying to dc carbon foot print will be about 2 1/2 metric tons.....


    that does not count those on private jets....
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    Re: Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This is all about nature proving scientist wrong.
    Really? How were the scientists proven wrong vic? And please, specifics rather than broad brush generalizations.

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