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    Re: Dems Usher in New Era of Dull Scandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, it hasn't been proven false. You quoted something that said some core remained that possibly carried over; it wasn't even a definite.
    Then you werent reading carefully enough.

    Its been proven that there has been a standing army, in place, continually, since 1775.
    You dont kave to admit to me that you're wrong, but you shoudl admit ti to yourself.

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    Re: Dems Usher in New Era of Dull Scandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Then you werent reading carefully enough.

    Its been proven that there has been a standing army, in place, continually, since 1775.
    You dont kave to admit to me that you're wrong, but you shoudl admit ti to yourself.
    No, it has not been proven, in fact it's quite the opposite. The standing army came about in 1794, that's fact. Argue all you want; that's when the standing army was established even though at that time it still relied heavily on the militia to supplement their numbers. You're merely being obtuse and stubborn because you have no proof to assert your claim.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Dems Usher in New Era of Dull Scandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, it has not been proven
    Now you're just being dishonest.

    Move on, you're done.

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    Re: Dems Usher in New Era of Dull Scandals

    Hmmm

    Prior to and during the founding of the United States, military forces were supplied by untrained militia commanded by the states. When the Continental Congress first ordered a Continental Army to be formed, it was to be made up of militia from the states. That army, under the command of General George Washington, won the Revolutionary War, but afterwards was disbanded.

    However, it soon became obvious that a standing army and navy were required. The United States Navy (and the Marine Corps) began when Congress ordered several frigates in 1794, and a standing army was created, however it was still only minimal and it relied mostly on contributions from state militia in times of war. The Coast Guard was created in 1790.
    Are you done lying now?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Dems Usher in New Era of Dull Scandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Hmmm
    Are you done lying now?
    I cited for you a unit that has been part of the standing army, continually, since 1776, thru to the present day.

    That, alone, disproves your assertion.

    Thus, the only person lying here is you, and it's to yourself.

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    Re: Dems Usher in New Era of Dull Scandals

    Hmmm
    As the newly minted nation emerged from the Revolution, it confronted a fundamental question: could a military establishment be created that met both the ideological concerns for liberty and the necessity for internal and external security? For a constellation of reasons, under the Articles of Confederation ratified by the states in 1781, the answer was a resounding “No!” The Confederation faced severe economic problems, in part resulting from war-induced dislocations but made worse because Congress did not have the power to tax. And many people asked why the country needed an expensive peacetime preparedness program. After all, the colonists had very little mobilized military power in 1775 and yet had gone on to victory against the mighty British Empire.

    Equally disturbing, in 1783–84 the climate of opinion was hostile toward regular forces because the Revolution ended on three discordant notes for civil-military relations that reanimated Radical Whig ideological fears. One crisis was the so-called Newburgh Conspiracy, with its implied threat by Continental Army officers against the Continental Congress. In this ugly affair, when Congress refused to accede to officers’ demands for half-pay for life as a postwar pension, some of the officers appeared to threaten civil supremacy. Also raising civil-military tensions was the Society of the Cincinnati, which was officially founded in the spring of 1783 to bind Continental Army officers together in a fraternal and charitable organization. To those sympathetic to Radical Whig ideology, the Society seemed anti-democratic in several ways. For example, membership was hereditary, passing to the oldest male descendent of a Continental Army officer, and thereby seemingly creating a privileged class based on birth, not merit. Finally, a mutiny occurred among some enlisted men after news of the preliminary peace arrived. Having served honorably for years under often dire conditions, the men demanded immediate discharge and payment. Nearly bankrupt and still not positive that peace was really at hand, Congress promised a financial settlement at some later date and offered the men furloughs, not discharges. Several hundred disgruntled Continental Army soldiers from Pennsylvania mutinied; they held Congress and the Pennsylvania state government hostage with fixed bayonets for several hours before the incident ended, fortunately, without bloodshed.

    As a result of all these factors an outburst of antimilitarism swept the country in the Revolution’s aftermath. The Confederation government was unable to maintain anything other than a miniscule military establishment. It completely disbanded the Continental Navy and Marines, and disbanded the Continental Army, keeping only eighty men and a handful of officers in service. The military institutions founded in 1775 disappeared completely. Thus no modern regiment directly traces its lineage to the Continental Army, which was not, then, a standing regular army in the sense that the British Army was. The latter had existed in war and peace ever since 1645. On the other hand, the Continental Army was akin to Washington’s Virginia Regiment: just another in a long line of ad hoc, volunteer, expeditionary forces that disbanded when the emergency ended.
    Understanding the Creation of the U.S. Armed Forces - FPRI

    So you're not done lying, ok.
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    Re: Dems Usher in New Era of Dull Scandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Hmmm
    So you're not done lying, ok.
    I cited for you a unit that has been part of the standing army, continually, since 1776, thru to the present day.

    That, alone, disproves your assertion.

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    Re: Dems Usher in New Era of Dull Scandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I cited for you a unit that has been part of the standing army, continually, since 1776, thru to the present day.

    That, alone, disproves your assertion.
    No you didn't. I cited sources showing that the military disbanded. That it wasn't a standing army, and that modern military can't trace it's beginnings back to the Continental Army. You are lying, that's all there is to it.
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    Re: Dems Usher in New Era of Dull Scandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No you didn't.
    Now, you're clearly lying, as I most certainly did cite for you such a unit.

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    Re: Dems Usher in New Era of Dull Scandals

    During the American Revolutionary War, the New York Provincial Company of Artillery was created by the New York Provincial Congress in 1776 to defend New York City from British attack.

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    The revolutionary government of the province commissioned Alexander Hamilton, then a student at King's College (now, Columbia University) and an officer in a militia unit of artillery called the Hearts of Oak, to create the new Provincial Company of Artillery.[1] The new Company saw action in the Battle of White Plains and the Battle of Trenton, among others.[2] It was while commanding this unit with distinction that Hamilton came to the attention of many high-ranking officers in the Continental Army, a number of them offering him positions on their staffs. Hamilton refused them all to become de facto Chief of Staff to General George Washington, the commander-in-chief, for much of the remainder of the war.

    The New York Provincial Company of Artillery is considered the ancestor of the 1st Battalion, 5th Field Artillery, which therefore holds the distinction of being the oldest active unit in the U.S. Army.[3]
    So let's see, a division which is considered and ancestor to a battalion of the US Army, which was created by a State and not federal government and which an expert in US Military history says that no modern division of the US military has any relation to the Continental army. Hmm, seems to me that this is more a tradition thing than it is an actual link.
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