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    Re: Charity homes built by Hollywood start to crumble

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    That actual is pretty much the definition of charity. Giving something for nothing.
    Building houses for the poor is much like the PUBLIC housing projects of the past. The main difference I believe was that most of the funds were from private sources. That given, what part of doing the same thing you have always done expecting different results being dumb does anyone here NOT get?

    Yes that is charity, giving something for nothing, and it usually results in MORE of the same doesn't it? I am suggesting that perhaps we need to move beyond the "it makes me feel good about myself" mode and look at programs that might ACTUALLY work and spend the money wiser.

    Why not have these people help build the houses they will get and earn them by giving something back? Makes them feel better about themselves, teaches them a skill perhaps and teaches them responsibility; something that is lacking in that part of the economic spectrum.

    But alas, I wander way off topic so I will let you and Dx have the last words on the issue.

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    Re: Charity homes built by Hollywood start to crumble

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    This isn't even a liberal policy. It was charity work that happens to be championed more by liberals than by conservatives. Unless your point is, like kandahar said, that conservatives are naturally better builders...

    It's funny, but my husband works construction and the vast majority of the guys he works with are hard core republican conservatives.

    I would just guess the people who built these houses, whatever political leaning they have, didn't have much actual experience as builders. Does it say if the volunteers had any actual experience as home-builders? It would seem that they didn't, given the houses are falling apart.


    But still- for someone who was given a house for free, it wouldn't cost much to fix the repairs, better than actually having to save money, work hard, and buy your own house. It's just funny that way.
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    Re: Charity homes built by Hollywood start to crumble

    there's plenty of working class blue collar union members in construction that are HARDCORE Democrats.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Charity homes built by Hollywood start to crumble

    emdash.
    According to the article (which with your words) I am certain you have not bothered to read or digest.
    These Habitations were sold at cost of Manufacture.
    They were given Interest FREE Mortgages.
    Now the simple fact is that they were not given a place to live, they WERE given the opportunity to BUY their places.
    If they bought, then they DO have the right to complain if strict building codes were not observed.
    Had you been sold a house that you subsequently found to have been built on a Rubbish dump and later discovered the problems inherent with having been built on same.
    You too would be threatening Lawsuits.

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    Re: Charity homes built by Hollywood start to crumble

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    emdash.
    According to the article (which with your words) I am certain you have not bothered to read or digest.
    These Habitations were sold at cost of Manufacture.
    They were given Interest FREE Mortgages.
    Now the simple fact is that they were not given a place to live, they WERE given the opportunity to BUY their places.
    If they bought, then they DO have the right to complain if strict building codes were not observed.
    Had you been sold a house that you subsequently found to have been built on a Rubbish dump and later discovered the problems inherent with having been built on same.
    You too would be threatening Lawsuits.

    Your observations shoot a big old gaping hole in the criticisms of this project that "Liberals" gave something to someone "for nothing" and "expected something good to come of it".

    I can't wait to see if we actually find out how it came about that the homes were built on a rubbish heap, etc. etc. Now, it may be that Habitat for Humanity was nefarious and wanted to only seem to do good here, but I doubt it.

    I surmise that we'll get the full story at some point, and it will be far less cut and dried.

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    Re: Charity homes built by Hollywood start to crumble

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    emdash.
    According to the article (which with your words) I am certain you have not bothered to read or digest.
    These Habitations were sold at cost of Manufacture.
    They were given Interest FREE Mortgages.
    Now the simple fact is that they were not given a place to live, they WERE given the opportunity to BUY their places.
    If they bought, then they DO have the right to complain if strict building codes were not observed.
    Had you been sold a house that you subsequently found to have been built on a Rubbish dump and later discovered the problems inherent with having been built on same.
    You too would be threatening Lawsuits.
    actually I was trying to find this information on google because I somehow missed it in the article (?!) and my question was not rhetorical, I really didn't know. so, thanks.

    however buying at cost of manufacture with interest-free mortgages is not the same as what real people do in the real world when they buy houses. these homes, however poorly constructed, were made available to them, placed within their price range, at someone else's expense.

    since you asked, I wouldn't threaten lawsuits. I would work my butt off to make the place livable or I would sell it and move on.

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    Re: Charity homes built by Hollywood start to crumble

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Your observations shoot a big old gaping hole in the criticisms of this project that "Liberals" gave something to someone "for nothing" and "expected something good to come of it".
    compassion is both the liberal's redeeming quality and his tragic flaw. I'm torn between criticizing them for trying and thanking them for caring.

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    Re: Charity homes built by Hollywood start to crumble

    Selling if it were possible, which I very much doubt considering that with these houses in anywhere near the state they are reported to have been in.

    But I might say you are not to be commended for thinking of selling trash onto some other poor unsuspecting chump.

    Says a lot about your character.

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    Re: Charity homes built by Hollywood start to crumble

    Habitat for Humanity International (HFHI) is a world service organization providing affordable homes with interest-free mortgages to families in need. Founded by Millard and Linda Fuller, Habitat's long-term dream is to eradicate housing projects around the world, and to replace them with solid, single-family homes built by HFHI volunteers and the future owners themselves. For the shorter term, however, Habitat will settle for their 200,000th home built by the year 2005, and having housed over 475,000 people internationally. Using their faith and homebuilding skills, the Fullers and a growing list of sponsors and volunteers (including such luminaries as Jimmy Carter, Jerry Falwell, Louis Gossett, Jr., Jack Kemp, Newt Gingrich, and Oprah Winfrey) have transformed the lives of many homeless families into proud homeowners and lifelong Habitat volunteers.
    Habitat for Humanity International -- Company History

    I wonder how Jerry, Jack and Newt got "suckered" into this den of liberalism!! I am sure that they must not have known that the whole aim of the organization was an evil liberal plot to give people a hand up toward housing security and pride.

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    Re: Charity homes built by Hollywood start to crumble

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Habitat for Humanity International -- Company History

    I wonder how Jerry, Jack and Newt got "suckered" into this den of liberalism!! I am sure that they must not have known that the whole aim of the organization was an evil liberal plot to give people a hand up toward housing security and pride.
    I believe the critisim was of the project in the OP not on HfH itself.
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