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    A New Cigarette Hazard: ‘Third-Hand Smoke’

    Parents who smoke often open a window or turn on a fan to clear the air of second-hand smoke, but experts now have identified another smoking-related threat to children’s health that isn’t as easy to get rid of: third-hand smoke.

    That’s the term being used to describe the invisible yet toxic brew of gases and particles clinging to smokers’ hair and clothing, not to mention cushions and carpeting, that lingers long after smoke has cleared from a room. The residue includes heavy metals, carcinogens and even radioactive materials that young children can get on their hands and ingest, especially if they’re crawling or playing on the floor.

    Doctors from MassGeneral Hospital for Children in Boston coined the term “third-hand smoke” to describe these chemicals in a new study that focused on the risks they pose to infants and children. The study was published in this month’s issue of the journal Pediatrics.

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    Third-hand smoke is what one smells when a smoker gets in an elevator after going outside for a cigarette, he said, or in a hotel room where people were smoking. “Your nose isn’t lying,” he said. “The stuff is so toxic that your brain is telling you: ’Get away.’”

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    “The central message here is that simply closing the kitchen door to take a smoke is not protecting the kids from the effects of that smoke,” he said. “There are carcinogens in this third-hand smoke, and they are a cancer risk for anybody of any age who comes into contact with them.”

    Among the substances in third-hand smoke are hydrogen cyanide, used in chemical weapons; butane, which is used in lighter fluid; toluene, found in paint thinners; arsenic; lead; carbon monoxide; and even polonium-210, the highly radioactive carcinogen that was used to murder former Russian spy Alexander V. Litvinenko in 2006. Eleven of the compounds are highly carcinogenic.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/03/he...3smoke.html?em

    Very interesting. Thoughts?

    (Before people post something about how smoking is evil and should be a crime or how this is fascism seeking to take away your constitutional right to smoke a boge in your own house, take a second to realize that this isn't a political issue, it's a scientific one).
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    Re: A New Cigarette Hazard: ‘Third-Hand Smoke’

    Seems probable. Intuitive, even. You smoke a cig, the smoke goes around and particles land on different places. Not a stretch, exactly.

    I am, however, quite doubtful about the negative effects of such a thing being greater than negligible. It's sort of extreme germaphobia. It's probably true, but there's so many awful remnants of awful things everywhere; your home, your car, your bed, yourself. Anyone you touch in anyway. It's just not worth worrying about.

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    Re: A New Cigarette Hazard: ‘Third-Hand Smoke’

    I'm more worried about the **** people put in their bodies through their food every day than I am about third hand smoke.
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    Re: A New Cigarette Hazard: ‘Third-Hand Smoke’

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    I'm more worried about the **** people put in their bodies through their food every day than I am about third hand smoke.
    But the food you put into your body doesn't have a direct physical effect on those around you, beans and broccoli aside.
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    Re: A New Cigarette Hazard: ‘Third-Hand Smoke’

    Gee, it is still hard getting some hard core skeptics to accept the reality of second-hand smoke. Third hand smoke? While it is certainly logical, some people will never accept it no matter how much evidence supports it over the next couple of decades.
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    Re: A New Cigarette Hazard: ‘Third-Hand Smoke’

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/03/he...3smoke.html?em

    Very interesting. Thoughts?

    (Before people post something about how smoking is evil and should be a crime or how this is fascism seeking to take away your constitutional right to smoke a boge in your own house, take a second to realize that this isn't a political issue, it's a scientific one).
    Perhaps people genetically fragile enough to produce children this susceptible should do everyone a favor and not breed?

    further, I'll only believe that it's a "scientific issue" if its authors don't produce a for-profit book, or allow themselves to receive significant payments of the talk show and lecture circuits.

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    Re: A New Cigarette Hazard: ‘Third-Hand Smoke’

    This study is the first of its kind, so I'd want to see it reproduced and followed up upon via additional research. It's not something that should be accepted right off the bat. I'm also curious as to who funded this study.

    To be honest, I am sceptical... but open minded. Smoke does tend to seep into everything and give off gross odours. I don't see why it's unreasonable to suggest that the toxins in second hand smoke can't be deposited onto a surface... but claiming that and claiming that residues cause cancer is something else altogether.

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    Re: A New Cigarette Hazard: ‘Third-Hand Smoke’

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    This study is the first of its kind, so I'd want to see it reproduced and followed up upon via additional research. It's not something that should be accepted right off the bat. I'm also curious as to who funded this study.

    To be honest, I am sceptical... but open minded. Smoke does tend to seep into everything and give off gross odours. I don't see why it's unreasonable to suggest that the toxins in second hand smoke can't be deposited onto a surface... but claiming that and claiming that residues cause cancer is something else altogether.
    If you're just going to be reasonable, thoughtful and logical, I'm going to call it a night and sign off.














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    Re: A New Cigarette Hazard: ‘Third-Hand Smoke’

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    If you're just going to be reasonable, thoughtful and logical, I'm going to call it a night and sign off.
    If you want to be reasonable, thoughtful, and logical, then feel free to let me know why you disagree with me, otherwise your unsubstantiated remark holds no water.

    *kicks up dirt to make this thread more interesting*

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    Re: A New Cigarette Hazard: ‘Third-Hand Smoke’

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