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Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

Let us not forget that Mahmoud Abbas, the head of Fatah, is the legitimate head of "state" of the PA, not Hamas who violently seized power in Gaza.

Abbas is very moderate. Why doesn't Israel support him?
 
And the BS cycle continues. Here is what will happen, as this happens everytime Israel does this.

1. Rogue factions that Hamas cannot control (maybe this time they were follwing Hamas orders I don't know, but Hamas cannot control them) fire rockets into Israel
2. Israel wants to do something and invades Gaza
3. Palestinian civilians gets killed, drives numbers to join Hamas
4. Israel leaves when they are satisifed
5. Hamas regroup, peace between Israel and Palestine takes a few steps back
6. Rogue factions that Hamas cannot control (maybe this time they were follwing Hamas orders I don't know, but Hamas cannot control them) fire rockets into Israel
7. Israel wants to do something and invades Gaza

and so on... the bs cycle continues.

Why is Israel incapable of learning anything from the past. Invasion isn't going to make Hamas go away you know. I thought you would have learnt this in Lebanon, clearly not.
 
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And the BS cycle continues. Here is what will happen, as this happens everytime Israel does this.

1. Rogue factions that Hamas cannot control (maybe this time they were follwing Hamas orders I don't know, but Hamas cannot control them) fire rockets into Israel
2. Israel wants to do something and invades Gaza
3. Palestinian civilians gets killed, drives numbers to join Hamas
4. Israel leaves when they are satisifed
5. Hamas regroup, peace between Israel and Palestine takes a few steps back
6. Rogue factions that Hamas cannot control (maybe this time they were follwing Hamas orders I don't know, but Hamas cannot control them) fire rockets into Israel
7. Israel wants to do something and invades Gaza

and so on... the bs cycle continues.

Why is Israel incapable of learning anything from the past. Invasion isn't going to make Hamas go away you know. I thought you would have learnt this in Lebanon, clearly not.
You know you make a strong case for the mass deportation of the Palestinians at the least, and ethnic cleansing at the extreme. Truly though, Israeli responses have been far too mild for many years.
 
. . . Invasion isn't going to make Hamas go away you know. . .

No, it's bullets, bombs, mines, bayonets, shrapnel, fire, and falling buildings that make them go away -- off to meet their virgins.

Death is a time honored and most effective tool for use in resolving conflicts.
 
And the BS cycle continues. Here is what will happen, as this happens everytime Israel does this.

1. Rogue factions that Hamas cannot control (maybe this time they were follwing Hamas orders I don't know, but Hamas cannot control them) fire rockets into Israel
2. Israel wants to do something and invades Gaza
3. Palestinian civilians gets killed, drives numbers to join Hamas
4. Israel leaves when they are satisifed
5. Hamas regroup, peace between Israel and Palestine takes a few steps back
6. Rogue factions that Hamas cannot control (maybe this time they were follwing Hamas orders I don't know, but Hamas cannot control them) fire rockets into Israel
7. Israel wants to do something and invades Gaza

and so on... the bs cycle continues.

Why is Israel incapable of learning anything from the past. Invasion isn't going to make Hamas go away you know. I thought you would have learnt this in Lebanon, clearly not.
Hahahaha, Hamas is a rogue faction.
 
You know you make a strong case for the mass deportation of the Palestinians at the least, and ethnic cleansing at the extreme. Truly though, Israeli responses have been far too mild for many years.

Deport Palestinians from their own land? :confused:

I'd rather solve the problem in hand rather than echo the actions of madmen. Oh yeah the Palestinians did suffer a mass deportation already. You favour a mass deportation/ethnic cleansing like what the Native Americans experienced.

I want to see the back of Hamas as much as the next guy, but this repeated failed strategy by the Israeli government has got to change. It has acheived no results so far, its not going do, in fact it makes things worse.

I thought you Americans had learnt this lesson about repeating failed strategies in Iraq, obviously not :roll:.
 
Hahahaha, Hamas is a rogue faction.

Yeah true, but even rogue factions have hard time controlling rogue factions. I bet if Hamas said to everyone in Gaza that no rockets should be fired into Israel, there would still be rockets being fired into Israel.
 
No, it's bullets, bombs, mines, bayonets, shrapnel, fire, and falling buildings that make them go away -- off to meet their virgins.

Death is a time honored and most effective tool for use in resolving conflicts.

I guess thats the difference between you and me, I have empathy for the common man.
 
You know you make a strong case for the mass deportation of the Palestinians at the least, and ethnic cleansing at the extreme. Truly though, Israeli responses have been far too mild for many years.


How else can they follow their religion and accomodate all the worlds Jewish population in Israel without doing this? You seem to believe this reality was never accepted for some reason.

"The land of Israel is not small at all, if only the Arabs will be removed, and if its frontiers would be enlarged a little; to the north all the way to Litani, and to the east including the Golan Heights. ... while the Arabs be transferred to northern Syria and Iraq. ... From now on we must work out a secret plan based on the removal of the Arabs from here ... to include it into American political circles. ... today we have no other alternative... We will not live here with Arabs"

Yosef Weitz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Abbas is very moderate. Why doesn't Israel support him?

Moderate as in:

:roll:

I guess you could characterize him as moderate if you consider the use of rifles more moderate then firing rockets into schools or using cemeteries to luanch said rockets.
 
Good ol' holy wars. Sometimes I think mankind would be better off without gods.
 
Yeah true, but even rogue factions have hard time controlling rogue factions. I bet if Hamas said to everyone in Gaza that no rockets should be fired into Israel, there would still be rockets being fired into Israel.

I see, those 6,000+ rockets fired from Gaza into Israeli neighborhoods, schools, and shopping districts over the last couple years were fired by rogue elements of Hamas, right?

pfffffft

Gazans knew exactly who they were electing to represent them. They are not innocent civilians, though Israel has decided to avoid killing or injuring them as much as possible.
 
I see, those 6,000+ rockets fired from Gaza into Israeli neighborhoods, schools, and shopping districts over the last couple years were fired by rogue elements of Hamas, right?

No, but quite a few were from other factions of the Palestinian political spectrum. Just getting rid of Hamas wont stop the rockets, because military rogue factions of Fata and others will continue to shoot rockets, as long as Israel does what it is doing and has been doing in the occupied areas.

During the Hamas-Israel ceasefire there were rockets.. were they from Hamas or other factions? I would wager most if not all were from factions not under Hamas control or Fata control.. aka rogue groups. You do know that the Palestinians are very fractured politically right? They do tell such things on the biased American TV stations right?

Should Hamas and Fata hit down hard on these groups? Sure, but both sides should hit down on their radical elements and stick to agreements and not continue with actions that piss of the other side.

The biggest problem on the Palestinian side is the total fractioning of the political spectrum... if the Palestinians could agree among themselves instead of fight among themselves and unite, then we might be closer to achieving peace.

But saying that, all it takes is for an Israeli settler to kill another Palestinian, or a group off pissed off Palestinians wanting revenge and attacking a Israeli and then the whole house of cards comes falling down yet again with counter attack, and "security operations".
 
love how so many are so busy trying to find every excuse under teh sun to 'leave Gaza alone'

It's the rogue terrorist terrorists, not the terrorists that are firing rockets indiscriminately
puhlease
 
No, but quite a few were from other factions of the Palestinian political spectrum. Just getting rid of Hamas wont stop the rockets, because military rogue factions of Fata and others will continue to shoot rockets, as long as Israel does what it is doing and has been doing in the occupied areas.

Sorry, but there's no reasonable rational for Gazans to be launching rockets at Israeli schools, churches, or day care centers let alone firing them indiscriminately to cause as much civilian death and terror as possible.

Israeli is a sovereign nation. The Gazans could start acting like a civilized people and govern themselves rather than being terrorists.

I wonder why we don't see this same activity in the West Bank? I mean, we see the markets open, improving standards of living, etc. Meanwhile, the Gazans launch rockets at kids.

During the Hamas-Israel ceasefire there were rockets.. were they from Hamas or other factions? I would wager most if not all were from factions not under Hamas control or Fata control.. aka rogue groups. You do know that the Palestinians are very fractured politically right? They do tell such things on the biased American TV stations right?

And why you make such a wager?

Even if that were the case...Hamas is a popularly elected government, no? Do they not have a responsibility to control their borders? That they do not, and willfully do not at that, they have them demonstrated that they are supportive of such rocket attacks. I'm sure they don't mind given that such attacks fit their agenda very nicely.

Should Hamas and Fata hit down hard on these groups? Sure, but both sides should hit down on their radical elements and stick to agreements and not continue with actions that piss of the other side.

Hmmm, a ceasefire is signed. Gazans continue lobbing rockets into Israel. Hamas does nothing. Rockets continue being fired.

Yeah, I see Israel, you know, not sticking to a ceasefire agreement. :roll:

Why do you sympathize with the terrorists?

Do you believe that Israel should not exist?

The biggest problem on the Palestinian side is the total fractioning of the political spectrum... if the Palestinians could agree among themselves instead of fight among themselves and unite, then we might be closer to achieving peace.

Well, Gazans have chosen who they are uniting with...Hamas. Hamas was elected to govern. Instead, it not only engages in lobbing rockets int Israel but tolerates it within their jurisdiction.

But saying that, all it takes is for an Israeli settler to kill another Palestinian, or a group off pissed off Palestinians wanting revenge and attacking a Israeli and then the whole house of cards comes falling down yet again with counter attack, and "security operations".

Why the scae quotes?

Are the Gazans not burrowing tunnels beneath the border to carry out terror attacks?

Are the Gazans not launching rockets into Israel on a near daily basis?
 
love how so many are so busy trying to find every excuse under teh sun to 'leave Gaza alone'

It's the rogue terrorist terrorists, not the terrorists that are firing rockets indiscriminately
puhlease

Are you trying to argue that the majority of Palestinians are also members of HAMAS?
 
Are you trying to argue that the majority of Palestinians are also members of HAMAS?
maybe i used terrorist too many times and it confused you
but i am confident you will be able to comprehend it eventually ;)
 
Moderate as in:


:roll:

I guess you could characterize him as moderate if you consider the use of rifles more moderate then firing rockets into schools or using cemeteries to luanch said rockets.

your link is broken
 
You wouldn't protect your family unless you had a rock solid guarantee of success? Your logic is bullcrap.

I would protect them, yes. But I'd have some sort of conception in my mind of what "protecting them" entails. No one seems to have any idea of that in Israel. If Israel simply destroys the rockets and leaves Gaza with Hamas still in power, do you honestly believe that the border will be any more peaceful a year from now?

Tashah said:
The current Israeli Defense Minister - Ehud Barak - is a career soldier. No one criticised 2006 Lebanon more than he did. Do you think he is actually stupid enough to reprise those mistakes?

Possibly. He seems to already be reprising a couple of them: 1) Not having clear objectives for the invasion from the outset, 2) Leaving the terrorist group in power and therefore able to declare victory.

Tashah said:
Do you think the Gaza and Lebanon theaters have anything in common?

They have some things in common, in that a terror group is able to carry out cross-border attacks and Israel has chosen to invade them but leave the terror group in place.

Tashah said:
You really are slipping.

And you really are getting needlessly hostile.
 
I guess thats the difference between you and me, I have empathy for the common man.
Actually, you have imagined empathy for illusory phantoms of your own construction. It is a common failing, so don't be too hard on yourself. You've simply been taught to imagine people exactly like you and your mates and overlay those models with Palestinian features and names. It's a very old propaganda technique.

Common men don't launch rockets into residential neighborhoods on a lark.

Common men don't look at their adolescent son and think "I can make a bomb out of this."

Common men are more concerned with building a life for themselves and their community more than they are concerned with denying these things to the neighbors.

Common men are extraordinary.
 
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