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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Tal View Post
    When, exactly, did Israel support the election of Hamas? You're talking nonsense. From the very first moment Hamas came to power, Israel has announced it has no plans to have direct talks with a terrorist organization not recognizing Israel.
    It's what Zeev Sternhell says. He is an Israeli historian who works for the Haaretz newspaper and got the Israel Prize for Political Science in 2008.

    He says that Netanyahu freed Cheikh Ahmed Yassine in 1997 so that he "torpedoes" the Oslo agreements and defeat Arafat

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Its a geology thing dude.The rest is religion,politics,and unfair trade ,OH, and the absolute stupidity of the bad guys...DON`T MESS WITH ISRAEL.
    'the bad guys'

    Both sides are the 'bad guys'

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Yes, because it was necessary to bomb that Mosque.


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    Gazans live like animals because Hamas is charged with distributing humanitarian aid, and does it unevenly. Secondly, where does he take his numbers from? I know that Israel has allowed humanitarian aid inside Gaza, even while strikes have been carried out. Israel has also served medical assistance to Palestinians hurt in various conflicts.

    Of course Israel is seeking a regime change. When the cease-fire has ended, Hamas has continued the practice of bombing Israeli towns, even closer to the center - how do you expect Israel to react? Work towards another cease-fire, when it has been proven that this cease-fire only gives Hamas a chance to re-equip itself? Besides that, an extension of the cease-fire has been discussed, but Hamas was reluctant to accept.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    This is a big bully punching the little bully and the civilians being stuck in the middle.
    Using your analogy, if a bully attacks another bully, he deserves a punch in the face, as the other 'bully' hasn't done anything to provoke it. And if that 'small' bully chooses to hold civilians in the line of fire, that's his problem.
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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Tal View Post
    Hamas has been elected by the Palestinians. By letting them rise to power they have cooked their own dice. Secondly, what do you suggest Israel does? If Hamas hides amongst civilians, how can they not be hurt?

    If a Hamas commander chooses to hide in his home although he knows he's wanted, and a strike on his house kills 10 members of his family (as happened yesterday) - that's his problem. He knowingly risked the life of his family.
    Then if you think that Palestinians support Hamas, you'd have to kill them all if you want to destroy this group. That would be a kind holocaust and I'm not sure you support that.

    Or convince them by killing as many Hamas members as possible, so that they fear being killed. But then it's terrorism: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057869933

    Or then admit that the raids are political (elections are close and I heard your government was not very popular) and that they won't destroy the Hamas

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Tal View Post
    And yet there's no information as to what was being held in that mosque. I'm sorry for every civilian killed on every side, but there is no way to avoid this.
    So there's no information about what, if anything, was inside it. Yet, in your mind, it's justified. How sad.
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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Ah, my bad.
    Its a matter of countdown.

    Israel will withdraw, just a matter of when.
    Yes they will and the Hamas will use any money and time it gets to rebuild its tunnels, weapons stock piles and bunkers for the next time they start launching rockets again. I'm sure they will cry "victim hood" again when Israel fights back.

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Of course Israel is seeking a regime change. When the cease-fire has ended, Hamas has continued the practice of bombing Israeli towns, even closer to the center - how do you expect Israel to react? Work towards another cease-fire, when it has been proven that this cease-fire only gives Hamas a chance to re-equip itself? Besides that, an extension of the cease-fire has been discussed, but Hamas was reluctant to accept.
    Hamas didn't originally violate the ceasefire; Israel did. That is the point. You cannot say that ceasefires don't work when it is your own country that is violating it (well, you could, but not while supporting your own country).

    And like I said before, this invasion and occupation are not going to be effective in removing Hamas, because Hamas is just one organization and representative of a much larger anti-imperialist sentiment in Palestine, which could at best result in a quick withdrawal or at worst a prolonged occupation with escalating violence preceding a withdrawal, both of which would be failures for Israel.

    You think they'd learn from their financial backers who are right now caught up in a very similar conflict not too far away...
    Last edited by Khayembii Communique; 01-03-09 at 06:49 PM.

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Tal View Post
    Using your analogy, if a bully attacks another bully, he deserves a punch in the face
    A punch yes but you can call what is occuring a punch?

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    Yes they will and the Hamas will use any money and time it gets to rebuild its tunnels, weapons stock piles and bunkers for the next time they start launching rockets again. I'm sure they will cry "victim hood" again when Israel fights back.
    Lol, im sure they will.

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Hamas didn't originally violate the ceasefire; Israel did. That is the point. You cannot say that ceasefires don't work when it is your own country that is violating it (well, you could, but not while supporting your own country).

    And like I said before, this invasion and occupation are not going to be effective in removing Hamas, because Hamas is just one organization and representative of a much larger anti-imperialist sentiment in Palestine, which could at best result in a quick withdrawal or at worst a prolonged occupation with escalating violence preceding a withdrawal, both of which would be failures for Israel.

    You think they'd learn from their financial backers who are right now caught up in a very similar conflict not too far away...
    What links do you have for this?

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