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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    notice the use of the word 'should' instead of will
    Ah, my bad.
    Its a matter of countdown.

    Israel will withdraw, just a matter of when.

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Do you think an invasion could reach this goal?

    When Israel wanted to get rid of the Fatah, they helped the Hamas to get power in Gaza, and it has worked. Now, if they want to get rid of the Hamas, they could support moderate Palestinians!
    When, exactly, did Israel support the election of Hamas? You're talking nonsense. From the very first moment Hamas came to power, Israel has announced it has no plans to have direct talks with a terrorist organization not recognizing Israel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I don't want Hamas in power but i think they should be removed using democracy - the same way they entered.
    Democracy? What democracy? We're speaking of an organization that hasn't been hesitating to kill fellow Palestinians just for the sake of taking over Gaza. We're talking about an organization that takes control of humanitarian needs and distributes it according to their preference. We're talking about an organization that has violently taken over the Gaza strip back in June. This is not democracy - they may have risen to power with democracy, but this cannot be reversed simply by the people's want.

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Tal View Post
    Do you think the IDF shot this mosque just for the hell of it? My points are still valid. Hamas hides amongst civilians. If they choose to tolerate this, they have to pay the price.
    Hamas takes the Palestinian population as hostages.

    When a criminal takes hostages in the USA (or everywhere else in the world), what does the SWAT do? What's their main aim?
    - is it to rescue the hostage alive and avoid wounding them at any cost, or
    - is it to kill the hostage taker at any cost and use shotguns and grenades to do so, no matter what happens to the hostages around him

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Your point was that a mosque was attacked at night and there was no one there. That point is wrong.
    And yet there's no information as to what was being held in that mosque. I'm sorry for every civilian killed on every side, but there is no way to avoid this.

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Tal View Post
    This is not democracy - they may have risen to power with democracy, but this cannot be reversed simply by the people's want.
    You know democracy, the thing when you vote in the person you would like.

    Every democratic country ****s up for example, Israel refused to allow journalists in Gaza until a supreme court ruling said otherwise and even then it is restricted. No democracy is perfect

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    The civilians did not attack Israel.
    Welcome to War. It's ugly but indispensable.

    Besides, how can we say the civilians who emotionally, politically, philosophically and materially support Hamas do not in effect attack Israel?
    There might be a case made that in generally the future terrorists (children) are temporarily innocent, but that is the affair of their murder-contaminated elders.
    Last edited by Oftencold; 01-03-09 at 06:38 PM.

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    And yet there's no information as to what was being held in that mosque. I'm sorry for every civilian killed on every side, but there is no way to avoid this.
    Yes, because it was necessary to bomb that Mosque.

    2. Israel claims that Hamas violated the cease-fire and pulled out of it unilaterally.

    Hamas indeed respected their side of the ceasefire, except on those occasions early on when Israel carried out major offensives in the West Bank. In the last two months, the ceasefire broke down with Israelis killing several Palestinians and resulting in the response of Hamas. In other words, Hamas has not carried out an unprovoked attack throughout the period of the cease-fire.

    Israel, however, did not live up to any of its obligations of ending the siege and allowing vital humanitarian aid to resume in Gaza. Rather than the average of 450 trucks per day being allowed across the border, on the best days, only eighty have been allowed in - with the border remaining hermetically sealed 70% of the time. Throughout the supposed 'cease-fire' Gazans have been forced to live like animals, with a total of 262 dying due to the inaccessibility of proper medical care.

    Now after hundreds dead and counting, it is Israel who refuses to re-enter talks over a cease-fire. They are not intent on securing peace as they claim; it is more and more clear that they are seeking regime change - whatever the cost.
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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Hamas takes the Palestinian population as hostages.

    When a criminal takes hostages in the USA (or everywhere else in the world), what does the SWAT do? What's their main aim?
    - is it to rescue the hostage alive and avoid wounding them at any cost, or
    - is it to kill the hostage taker at any cost and use shotguns and grenades to do so, no matter what happens to the hostages around him
    Hamas has been elected by the Palestinians. By letting them rise to power they have cooked their own dice. Secondly, what do you suggest Israel does? If Hamas hides amongst civilians, how can they not be hurt?

    If a Hamas commander chooses to hide in his home although he knows he's wanted, and a strike on his house kills 10 members of his family (as happened yesterday) - that's his problem. He knowingly risked the life of his family.
    Last edited by Tal; 01-03-09 at 06:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    welcome to War.
    This is a big bully punching the little bully and the civilians being stuck in the middle.

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    The Oil...Its a geology thing dude.The rest is religion,politics,and unfair trade ,OH, and the absolute stupidity of the bad guys...DON`T MESS WITH ISRAEL.
    Last edited by Rodney; 01-03-09 at 06:43 PM.

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