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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    You know you make a strong case for the mass deportation of the Palestinians at the least, and ethnic cleansing at the extreme. Truly though, Israeli responses have been far too mild for many years.

    How else can they follow their religion and accomodate all the worlds Jewish population in Israel without doing this? You seem to believe this reality was never accepted for some reason.

    "The land of Israel is not small at all, if only the Arabs will be removed, and if its frontiers would be enlarged a little; to the north all the way to Litani, and to the east including the Golan Heights. ... while the Arabs be transferred to northern Syria and Iraq. ... From now on we must work out a secret plan based on the removal of the Arabs from here ... to include it into American political circles. ... today we have no other alternative... We will not live here with Arabs"

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Abbas is very moderate. Why doesn't Israel support him?
    Moderate as in:


    I guess you could characterize him as moderate if you consider the use of rifles more moderate then firing rockets into schools or using cemeteries to luanch said rockets.

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Good ol' holy wars. Sometimes I think mankind would be better off without gods.
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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaUK View Post
    Yeah true, but even rogue factions have hard time controlling rogue factions. I bet if Hamas said to everyone in Gaza that no rockets should be fired into Israel, there would still be rockets being fired into Israel.
    I see, those 6,000+ rockets fired from Gaza into Israeli neighborhoods, schools, and shopping districts over the last couple years were fired by rogue elements of Hamas, right?

    pfffffft

    Gazans knew exactly who they were electing to represent them. They are not innocent civilians, though Israel has decided to avoid killing or injuring them as much as possible.

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    I see, those 6,000+ rockets fired from Gaza into Israeli neighborhoods, schools, and shopping districts over the last couple years were fired by rogue elements of Hamas, right?
    No, but quite a few were from other factions of the Palestinian political spectrum. Just getting rid of Hamas wont stop the rockets, because military rogue factions of Fata and others will continue to shoot rockets, as long as Israel does what it is doing and has been doing in the occupied areas.

    During the Hamas-Israel ceasefire there were rockets.. were they from Hamas or other factions? I would wager most if not all were from factions not under Hamas control or Fata control.. aka rogue groups. You do know that the Palestinians are very fractured politically right? They do tell such things on the biased American TV stations right?

    Should Hamas and Fata hit down hard on these groups? Sure, but both sides should hit down on their radical elements and stick to agreements and not continue with actions that piss of the other side.

    The biggest problem on the Palestinian side is the total fractioning of the political spectrum... if the Palestinians could agree among themselves instead of fight among themselves and unite, then we might be closer to achieving peace.

    But saying that, all it takes is for an Israeli settler to kill another Palestinian, or a group off pissed off Palestinians wanting revenge and attacking a Israeli and then the whole house of cards comes falling down yet again with counter attack, and "security operations".
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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    love how so many are so busy trying to find every excuse under teh sun to 'leave Gaza alone'

    It's the rogue terrorist terrorists, not the terrorists that are firing rockets indiscriminately
    puhlease

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No, but quite a few were from other factions of the Palestinian political spectrum. Just getting rid of Hamas wont stop the rockets, because military rogue factions of Fata and others will continue to shoot rockets, as long as Israel does what it is doing and has been doing in the occupied areas.
    Sorry, but there's no reasonable rational for Gazans to be launching rockets at Israeli schools, churches, or day care centers let alone firing them indiscriminately to cause as much civilian death and terror as possible.

    Israeli is a sovereign nation. The Gazans could start acting like a civilized people and govern themselves rather than being terrorists.

    I wonder why we don't see this same activity in the West Bank? I mean, we see the markets open, improving standards of living, etc. Meanwhile, the Gazans launch rockets at kids.

    During the Hamas-Israel ceasefire there were rockets.. were they from Hamas or other factions? I would wager most if not all were from factions not under Hamas control or Fata control.. aka rogue groups. You do know that the Palestinians are very fractured politically right? They do tell such things on the biased American TV stations right?
    And why you make such a wager?

    Even if that were the case...Hamas is a popularly elected government, no? Do they not have a responsibility to control their borders? That they do not, and willfully do not at that, they have them demonstrated that they are supportive of such rocket attacks. I'm sure they don't mind given that such attacks fit their agenda very nicely.

    Should Hamas and Fata hit down hard on these groups? Sure, but both sides should hit down on their radical elements and stick to agreements and not continue with actions that piss of the other side.
    Hmmm, a ceasefire is signed. Gazans continue lobbing rockets into Israel. Hamas does nothing. Rockets continue being fired.

    Yeah, I see Israel, you know, not sticking to a ceasefire agreement.

    Why do you sympathize with the terrorists?

    Do you believe that Israel should not exist?

    The biggest problem on the Palestinian side is the total fractioning of the political spectrum... if the Palestinians could agree among themselves instead of fight among themselves and unite, then we might be closer to achieving peace.
    Well, Gazans have chosen who they are uniting with...Hamas. Hamas was elected to govern. Instead, it not only engages in lobbing rockets int Israel but tolerates it within their jurisdiction.

    But saying that, all it takes is for an Israeli settler to kill another Palestinian, or a group off pissed off Palestinians wanting revenge and attacking a Israeli and then the whole house of cards comes falling down yet again with counter attack, and "security operations".
    Why the scae quotes?

    Are the Gazans not burrowing tunnels beneath the border to carry out terror attacks?

    Are the Gazans not launching rockets into Israel on a near daily basis?

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    love how so many are so busy trying to find every excuse under teh sun to 'leave Gaza alone'

    It's the rogue terrorist terrorists, not the terrorists that are firing rockets indiscriminately
    puhlease
    Are you trying to argue that the majority of Palestinians are also members of HAMAS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Are you trying to argue that the majority of Palestinians are also members of HAMAS?
    maybe i used terrorist too many times and it confused you
    but i am confident you will be able to comprehend it eventually

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    maybe i used terrorist too many times and it confused you
    but i am confident you will be able to comprehend it eventually
    Haha, then try wording it in a coherent manner!
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