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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Ammro View Post
    Nobody needs British or US good and they have to leave people alone.
    I support UK backing Israel?
    I actually think UK should not support neither side.
    Where is Africans in dealing with their own problems? Condemning Genocide?
    And wth is a white mans burden?

    I don't think Africa or parts of ME can really talk about not needing US or UK when both those countries are the largest contributors to aid
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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Ammro View Post
    Yes. US and Britain are behind most sufferings, miseries, and poverty in our planet. Look for their past and current practices.

    Who hunted and shipped Africans and made them slaves in America. Who used the first Atomic bomb on earth? Who invaded Vietnam? ..etc.

    British is the country of the most black history. They ruled Africa, India, many Middle East countries by force and killed the people who defended them.

    Who created the rotten racial segregation in South African and treated black people as dogs. Please read the western history. Why not do we have to think that history is repeating itself through allegation of democracy, freedom, and terrorism fight.

    This is history of the west culture and you can not deny it. The current scene is a reflection of that history.
    I was being sarcastic and you respond with a bunch of BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You don't seem to understand the point. The Arabs there still owned the property, the land, individually and collectively.
    You don't seem to get the point that property rules can change with administrations and government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yes the British did all of that but likewise we brought something to every one of those countries. UK did bad things yes, but it also did good.
    Perhaps Africa would be further than where it is now if it didn't cling onto the past and what occured a very long time.
    Most of the problems in Africa today have been brought onto them by their own actions. BRitain was not responsible for the Rwandan genocide. It is not respondible for the crisis in Zimbabwe. It is not reponsible for the Somali crisis or the grave situation in Darfur. Africans fight amongst themselves. It is about time for Africans to take ownership of their own problems rather than cast them off in the West.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It is about time for Africans to take ownership of their own problems rather than cast them off in the West.
    Agreed, and the continual dependency of foreign aid cannot be healthy to the countries growth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Agreed, and the continual dependency of foreign aid cannot be healthy to the countries growth
    I hope everyone remembers that if and when the (Obama sponsored) Global Poverty Tax is revived in Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ammro View Post
    Yes. US and Britain are behind most sufferings, miseries, and poverty in our planet. Look for their past and current practices.

    Who hunted and shipped Africans and made them slaves in America. Who used the first Atomic bomb on earth? Who invaded Vietnam? ..etc.

    British is the country of the most black history. They ruled Africa, India, many Middle East countries by force and killed the people who defended them.

    Who created the rotten racial segregation in South African and treated black people as dogs. Please read the western history. Why not do we have to think that history is repeating itself through allegation of democracy, freedom, and terrorism fight.

    This is history of the west culture and you can not deny it. The current scene is a reflection of that history.
    I deny that America is the demon you want it to be. Your characterization seems so biased against the USA and the West that it disqualifies you as a serious (new) poster.

    For example, the Muslim slave trade lasted more than a millennium and still is condoned in Islam. And as far as racial and gender equality is concerned Islam is inherently unequal because women and non believers can never be the equal of men and believers. This is not to bash Islam. It is to give you a clue as to your post's lack of insight.

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Ammro View Post
    Yes. US and Britain are behind most sufferings, miseries, and poverty in our planet. Look for their past and current practices.

    Who hunted and shipped Africans and made them slaves in America. Who used the first Atomic bomb on earth? Who invaded Vietnam? ..etc.

    British is the country of the most black history. They ruled Africa, India, many Middle East countries by force and killed the people who defended them.

    Who created the rotten racial segregation in South African and treated black people as dogs. Please read the western history. Why not do we have to think that history is repeating itself through allegation of democracy, freedom, and terrorism fight.

    This is history of the west culture and you can not deny it. The current scene is a reflection of that history.
    It's totally true but did the Arabs behave differently (except the nuclear bomb which they have not yet used)?

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    I'd also like to point out Ammro that Africans also sold slaves and Arabs had been in the slave trade much longer than white people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ammro View Post
    You are correct! When the British Empire came from Europe, colonized and ruled Palestine (and other Third Word countries), they found no human beings in all of these lands.
    The Restoration of Israel Was Not a Product of European Imperialism

    Another common argument put forward by the PLO is that Israel is really the product of European imperialism and hence it does not represent a legitimate national movement of its own. As a result, Zionism came to be portrayed in the Arab world as "a hyper-aggressive variant of colonialism."16

    This perception has also penetrated the discourse of Israel's European detractors. Initially, it is true that the idea of a restored Jewish homeland received its greatest push from the declaration in 1917 of the British Foreign Secretary, Lord Balfour, who called for its establishment after the British defeat of the Ottoman Empire. Yet, ironically, during the subsequent years of the British Mandate over Palestine, European (and especially British) imperial policies actually obstructed the emergence of the Jewish national home.

    First, the territory of Transjordan was cut off from the Palestine Mandate and granted by the British to the Hashemite dynasty from Arabia, who had lost their ancestral homeland, the Hijaz, to the Saudi clan of eastern Arabia.

    Second, the British sought to further partition the remaining territory of western Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, reducing the area for Jewish settlement even more. Finally, with the 1939 White Paper, the British restricted Jewish immigration into Palestine just as Nazi Germany began its conquest of Europe and its Holocaust against European Jewry.

    In this context, it is not surprising that Jewish underground movements waged an anti-colonial war in the 1940s against continuing British rule. In other words, Israel was anti-imperialist when it first emerged.

    By contrast, the Arab states at the time were aligned with the imperial powers. The Arab states that invaded the nascent State of Israel fielded armies that were trained and supplied by the French and British Empires. During Israel's War of Independence, British officers commanded the Arab Legion of Transjordan, while the Royal Air Force, defending Egyptian airspace, fought the Israeli Air Force over the Sinai Peninsula in 1949.

    And the nations of the world did not lift a finger when the Jews of Jerusalem were surrounded and faced annihilation, even though the UN had called for internationalization of the city. Only the Israel Defense Forces broke Jerusalem's siege and saved its Jewish residents.

    In short, Jewish independence in Israel was won by a native and indigenous community acting in its own defense with little help from outside.
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