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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I don't want Hamas in power but i think they should be removed using democracy - the same way they entered.
    They SEIZED power in Gaza! They didn't become rulers of the territory democratically.
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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Yes, because it was necessary to bomb that Mosque.


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    It is HAMAS who refuses to accept the idea of international troops on the ground, NOT ISrael!
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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    For those who are interested in the nature of the Hamas regime, the following was published in the January 4, 2009 edition of The Jerusalem Post:

    Fatah officials in Ramallah told The Jerusalem Post that Hamas militiamen had been assaulting many Fatah activists since the beginning of the operation last Saturday. They said at least 75 activists were shot in the legs while others had their hands broken.

    Wisam Abu Jalhoum, a Fatah activist from the Jabalya refugee camp, was shot in the legs by Hamas militiamen for allegedly expressing joy over the IDF air strikes on Hamas targets.
    Also if you are intrested in the nature of the Hamas regime as told by an insider and former member Musab Hassan Yousef son of one of the original founding members of Hamas I suggest reading this thread. Then research it further. You can see some video of him speaking on youtube.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/religi...3-09-10pm.html
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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Firstly you are of course assuming Israel is in the right. I personally believe a two state solution needs to be found but I always consider Israel the aggressor. They came to someone else's country and took over.

    Secondly you cannot compare the affairs of nations to individuals in such a simplistic way.
    Who's country was it then? It certainly wasn't Palestine.
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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    They SEIZED power in Gaza! They didn't become rulers of the territory democratically.
    Seized power! very strange. Everybody knows that they came to power democratically. Please read the following from the Washington Post:
    Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in Mideast - washingtonpost.com

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    This is a big bully punching the little bully and the civilians being stuck in the middle.
    Your jolly old England wouldn't put up with being rocketed for a single day let alone for months on end. Since the ceasefire ended in mid-December, over 500 Hamas rockets have struck Israel. You do the math.

    No nation would put up with this and none should. Even the Egyptian government is sick and tired of the Hamas crappola...

    By Steven Erlanger
    Published: January 2, 2009

    <snip>Few criticize Mr. Mubarak himself, and there are widespread feelings here that the radical group Hamas provoked the current crisis.</snip>

    <snip>Government officials including Mr. Mubarak and Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit have blamed Hamas for abandoning the cease-fire with Israel and seeming to seek Israeli retaliation.</snip>

    <snip>“Egypt is working for peace while trying to work realistically with the situation in Gaza, where a radical group took over the territories next to Sinai, a sensitive subject for Egypt,” Mr. Said continued. “So Egypt is trying to support Palestinian humanitarian needs, but not allow a radical group to control the situation, dominate the Palestinian issue or affect Egyptian internal politics.”</snip>

    <snip>Those demanding that Egypt open the Gaza border do not understand the dangers, said Samir Abdel Haadi. “If we opened it, we’d be the Iraq of the Palestinians,” he said. “There will be terrorism in the Sinai, and that’s our country.”</snip>
    Source: NYTimes

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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Ammro View Post
    Seized power! very strange. Everybody knows that they came to power democratically. Please read the following from the Washington Post:
    Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in Mideast - washingtonpost.com
    They won PARLIAMENTARY elections. Fatah won the presidential elections. The rightful head of state is Mahmoud Abbas, NOT Hamas terrorists.
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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Ugh...This sounds like a horrible idea. They've already explicitly said that their goal is just to end the rocket attacks, not overthrow Hamas. WTF? An invasion (and possible occupation) of Gaza that doesn't even overthrow Hamas is the worst of all possible worlds for Israel.

    All it does is enrage people and allow Hamas to declare victory when Israel inevitably withdraws, who will almost certainly go back to the rocket attacks as soon as Israel leaves. Or if Hamas is really lucky, the Israelis will stick around permanently and Hamas can go back to its old pretense of wanting to end the occupation.

    Did Israel learn absolutely nothing from the Second Lebanon War? What the hell does this accomplish?
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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    I disagree. Israel's error is in not finishing the job.
    Israel cannot "finish the job" in the same way that the US cannot "finish the job" in Iraq, in the same way that no colonialist country has been able to "finish the job" in permanently subduing those it is oppressing/displacing.

    There is a reason for Hamas existing that you are not recognizing.

    Your jolly old England wouldn't put up with being rocketed for a single day let alone for months on end. Since the ceasefire ended in mid-December, over 500 Hamas rockets have struck Israel. You do the math.

    No nation would put up with this and none should.
    "Earlier on Saturday CNN invited Gen. David Grange on, one of the military commentators outed by the New York Times as part of a Pentagon influence-peddling scheme for the media. Grange kept talking about what "we" would do if "we" took rocket fire the way the Israelis had from Hamas. Grange did not say what "we" would do if militant European refugees landed at Newport Beach, took over Virginia, expelled its population, and then kept the refugees from McLean huddling over in West Virginia in camps for decades with no reparations, recently denying them sufficient food and fuel to avoid a humanitarian crisis. But of course that would never happen to the Granges, so why bother to even mention any point of view but the hawks'?"
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    Re: Israeli ground troops enter Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Your jolly old England wouldn't put up with being rocketed for a single day let alone for months on end. Since the ceasefire ended in mid-December, over 500 Hamas rockets have struck Israel. You do the math.

    No nation would put up with this and none should. Even the Egyptian government is sick and tired of the Hamas crappola...


    Source: NYTimes
    And his jolly land is not occupied by strangers for decades now claming that his land is theirs by Force and Western conspiracy.
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