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    Re: Travolta's teen son dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Lisa McPherson was someones daughter before she died in the hands of scientology at the Fort Harison Hotel in Clearwater Florida.Google it,you`ll find that many have died trying to heal themselves with the practices created by a science fiction writer,Lafayet Ron Hubard. John Travolta so inpressed me that I spent 9 months,this year,studying scientology/Dianetics.So much about it is`unproven medicine`.When you Google the autopsy of someones daughter"Lisa McPherson",take the time to understand the full scope of scientology.If the parents kept their son off anti-seizure meds dont blame them...they`ve been heavily indoctrinated into a cult which practices stealing minds bending them and collecting money.They also practice many,many other crimes.Its a cult...Don`t blame John and Kelly.I too feel terible about this news.I feel very relieved to be liveing in the real world again too. LOVE your kids,give them two hugs tonight and a kiss.

    Well, for God's sake, don't "google it" unless you want to see some really disgusting post-autopsy photos of her lifeless corpse; her family posted them all over the internet to 'expose what the Scientologists did' to her.
    It's effective, but rather stomach-turning; I saw it a couple of years ago, and sure wish I hadn't.
    So seriously, folks, use a little discretion.

    I'm also not claiming that anyone mistreated or neglected Travolta's son; I am stating that there are whispers in the media- quoting a number of sources that seem, on the face of it, reliable- that Jett Travolta suffered from autism and that his parents were in denial about this, claiming instead that he suffered from "Kawasaki Syndrome", and that they hoped to alleviate or control this disorder through Scientology, and that they referred to him on more than one occasion as a DB, meaning a Degraded Being, which is a Scientology term defined as the following in the Scientology Glossary:

    "Degraded Being: Someone so infested with Body Thetans, evil spirits, as to be in-auditable or insane."


    So, you know... maybe this is all just unsubstantiated gossip, just smoke and mirrors.
    But these are the things that are being said.
    I keep hearing how wealthy and powerful the Scientologists are, but they've been successfully sued before.
    And if they were actually as wealthy and powerful as all that, I doubt they would've made Tom Cruise their g.d. international spokesperson, for Chrissake; he's nothing but a washed-up second-rate actor, he has no power to speak of and he can't be that rich, since Nicole Kidman walked away with half his estate. The Scientologists have no real power.
    Not compared to... oh, the RCC.
    Or even the Southern Baptists Convention.

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    Someone should sue the Co$ (church of scientology) right out of existence.
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    Re: Travolta's teen son dead.

    My greatest fear is that something like this happens to my beautiful little girls. However, the only reason we are hearing about this is because he has famous parents. Things like this happen every day. While my heart goes out to him and his family, let's not forget that this happens every day to ordinary people like us.
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    Re: Travolta's teen son dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Someone should sue the Co$ (church of scientology) right out of existence.
    Is it not just another issue in the pro-choice society? It's his choice to "worship" and believe and practice whatever the hell it is those people believe. (Reminds me of snake handlers. )

    Myself, I don't think it's cool, at all, especially when it's the kids that have to suffer their parents folly. If the older religious zealots want to refuse logic and reason and suffer as a result, more power to them. But the kids? Well, I'm not one to stand between a parent and his/her parental rights, but c'mon.

    Should they sue the Co$ out of existance? Well, I'm not gonna try to stop them. I hope I get paid to serve the court papers.

    But if we're going to start attacking the people who are making these free choices, (and actually exercizing the very freedoms we all boast about, here in the good ol' USA of A,) can we get to the abortion clinics next? I mean, there is no shortage of people who want to shut down that choice too.

    Or, is it better to say, "I am all for the freedom of choice as long as I agree with that choice?"

    I think we should just let Mr. Travolta and his family mourn in privacy and just keep our snoots out of it. I know gossip goes with his chosen profession, but some things should be sacred to us all. This being one of them.
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    Re: Travolta's teen son dead.

    Reading the story broke my heart. As a parent, reading things like that always just scare the crap out of me. I can't imagine having to go through something like that. But I also read that same article about the COS's views on autism or any kind of mental impairment. When I read that my first thoughts were, I hope to hell that their son didn't die because he had a treatable condition that went untreated because of the Church of Scientology's belief system. That would be the bigger tragedy.

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    Re: Travolta's teen son dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Is it not just another issue in the pro-choice society? It's his choice to "worship" and believe and practice whatever the hell it is those people believe. (Reminds me of snake handlers. )

    Myself, I don't think it's cool, at all, especially when it's the kids that have to suffer their parents folly. If the older religious zealots want to refuse logic and reason and suffer as a result, more power to them. But the kids? Well, I'm not one to stand between a parent and his/her parental rights, but c'mon.

    Should they sue the Co$ out of existance? Well, I'm not gonna try to stop them. I hope I get paid to serve the court papers.

    But if we're going to start attacking the people who are making these free choices, (and actually exercizing the very freedoms we all boast about, here in the good ol' USA of A,) can we get to the abortion clinics next? I mean, there is no shortage of people who want to shut down that choice too.

    Or, is it better to say, "I am all for the freedom of choice as long as I agree with that choice?"

    I think we should just let Mr. Travolta and his family mourn in privacy and just keep our snoots out of it. I know gossip goes with his chosen profession, but some things should be sacred to us all. This being one of them.
    Suing the Church is out of line, I agree, but this is not just a private matter. When a parent endangers or causes the death of their child as a direct result of their religious beliefs they have run afoul of the law. Parents whose children die as a result of reliance of faith healing in lieu of medical treatment are often charged for their negligence. We do not have nearly enough information to determine if this was the case here, but it should be fully investigated and action should be taken if warranted. You (universal) have every right to believe in the Evil Lord Xenu and every right to act on that belief. You do not have the right to cause or fail to prevent the death of your child because of your faith in a bad sci-fi plot.

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    Re: Travolta's teen son dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Is it not just another issue in the pro-choice society? It's his choice to "worship" and believe and practice whatever the hell it is those people believe. (Reminds me of snake handlers. )

    Myself, I don't think it's cool, at all, especially when it's the kids that have to suffer their parents folly. If the older religious zealots want to refuse logic and reason and suffer as a result, more power to them. But the kids? Well, I'm not one to stand between a parent and his/her parental rights, but c'mon.

    Should they sue the Co$ out of existance? Well, I'm not gonna try to stop them. I hope I get paid to serve the court papers.

    But if we're going to start attacking the people who are making these free choices, (and actually exercizing the very freedoms we all boast about, here in the good ol' USA of A,) can we get to the abortion clinics next? I mean, there is no shortage of people who want to shut down that choice too.

    Or, is it better to say, "I am all for the freedom of choice as long as I agree with that choice?"

    I think we should just let Mr. Travolta and his family mourn in privacy and just keep our snoots out of it. I know gossip goes with his chosen profession, but some things should be sacred to us all. This being one of them.
    The Co$ does a ton of evil, indoctrinates and brainwashes, and takes advantage of those who cannot protect themselves...persons who need certain medications who do not understand the implications of not taking them. I am not suggesting that their rights to free speech be prevented. Legally sue them so their scummy organization is bankrupt. For sure they have committed enough crimes to earn this.
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    Re: Travolta's teen son dead.

    Exactly.
    From the photos I've seen and the information I've read, poor Jett was severely mentally disabled.
    Chronologically, he may have been almost an adult, but it is my suspicion that mentally he was still a very young child, helpless and vulnerable and trusting the adults around him to take care of him and do the right thing.

    I hope they did, and that all this was merely a horrible, tragic, unpreventable accident.
    If it wasn't- if withholding of medication or treatment was somehow involved, it is not a private matter, and no the family does not have the right to mourn in private.
    I hope they and the CoS are held accountable for what has occurred, if in fact they are somehow responsible.
    The situation must be investigated, and it will be.
    Healthy 16-year-olds don't just have seizures in the bathtub and drop dead.
    Somebody needs to figure out what occurred here.
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    Re: Travolta's teen son dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The Co$ does a ton of evil, indoctrinates and brainwashes, and takes advantage of those who cannot protect themselves...persons who need certain medications who do not understand the implications of not taking them. I am not suggesting that their rights to free speech be prevented. Legally sue them so their scummy organization is bankrupt. For sure they have committed enough crimes to earn this.
    I agree 100%. But the point, or parallel, I was trying to draw is this.

    Some of the same people who debate with diligence the right to abort a child and defend the choice to do so are now calling to castrate the Co$ for their right to practice their religion when it "hurts the child." Both issues, albeit they are poles apart, are similar. The end result is detrimental to the children in both "choices." Yet, one is acceptable, and one is not. And that depends on who you're askin'.

    One one side, you got your people who want to close abortion clinics and make them illegal. Similarly, you got people who want to shut down a church for their beliefs and make them illegal.

    I was more or less just pointing out the irony in beliefs, of some of the posters here, I have come to know. Probably only makes sense to me. I could have done a better job at explaining myself perhaps.

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    Re: Travolta's teen son dead.

    How horrible, prayers for the Travolta family. Such a tragedy that no family should have to endure.

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