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    9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet
    Others on Flight Say a Remark Was 'Suspicious'

    Officials ordered nine Muslim passengers, including three young children, off an AirTran flight headed to Orlando from Reagan National Airport yesterday afternoon after two other passengers overheard what they thought was a suspicious remark.

    Members of the party, all but one of them U.S.-born citizens who were headed to a religious retreat in Florida, were subsequently cleared for travel by FBI agents who characterized the incident as a misunderstanding,
    an airport official said. But the passengers said AirTran refused to rebook them, and they had to pay for seats on another carrier secured with help from the FBI.
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    Deja vu on this story. I seem to recall other incidents of this sort of bigotry and profiling by PASSENGERS leading to other "misunderstandings."

    Do you think the accusers should be rebuked for this? This sort of hatred is sickening and shows that there's still a nasty undercurrent of bigotry against American Muslims and like all bigotry the rational is all hate based and not fact based in the least.

    Kashif Irfan, one of the removed passengers, said the incident began about 1 p.m. after his brother, Atif, and his brother's wife wondered aloud about the safest place to sit on an airplane.

    "My brother and his wife were discussing some aspect of airport security," Irfan said. "The only thing my brother said was, 'Wow, the jets are right next to my window.' I think they were remarking about safety."

    Irfan said he and the others think they were profiled because of their appearance. He said five of the six adults in the party are of South Asian descent, and all six are traditionally Muslim in appearance, with the men wearing beards and the women in headscarves. Irfan, 34, is an anesthesiologist. His brother, 29, is a lawyer. Both live in Alexandria with their families, and both were born in Detroit. They were traveling with their wives, Kashif Irfan's sister-in-law, a friend and Kashif Irfan's three sons, ages 7, 4 and 2.
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    I feel so bad for them. It must be so hard to be a Muslim and travel in the United States by air. They have to put up with so much ignorant stereotyping by some people. I've heard stupid comments before when I have traveled and it disgusts me.
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    Deja vu on this story. I seem to recall other incidents of this sort of bigotry and profiling by PASSENGERS leading to other "misunderstandings."

    Do you think the accusers should be rebuked for this? This sort of hatred is sickening and shows that there's still a nasty undercurrent of bigotry against American Muslims and like all bigotry the rational is all hate based and not fact based in the least.
    I read this article this morning. I actually support the removal of these customers. If these people had said nothing and were targeted just because of what they looked like, I would agree with you. But if someone construed their statements as involving "security" issues, I think it was appropriate that they be reported.

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    I read this article this morning. I actually support the removal of these customers. If these people had said nothing and were targeted just because of what they looked like, I would agree with you. But if someone construed their statements as involving "security" issues, I think it was appropriate that they be reported.
    I truly doubt if anyone that would be considered typical "American" had said the same thing, no one would have reported anything.
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    Every "war" has its victims; this is just "collateral damage".



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    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I read this article this morning. I actually support the removal of these customers. If these people had said nothing and were targeted just because of what they looked like, I would agree with you. But if someone construed their statements as involving "security" issues, I think it was appropriate that they be reported.
    I'm shocked that you would believe it's OK. Had the exact same words been said by you nothing would have happened nor would have anyone thought twice about it. Because someone is Muslim they were falsely accused.

    I think it's also important to consider that a true terrorist would most likely not dress in traditional Muslim garb and bring attention to themselves if they were plotting evil; not to mention that they all went through security and they had three children under 7 with them.

    Did you read what they actually said? This is America and we must be better than this. Surely you must agree that ignorant passengers should not have the power to disrupt a flight simply because their bigoted fools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I truly doubt if anyone that would be considered typical "American" had said the same thing, no one would have reported anything.
    It's possible. I saw a regular-looking American guy filming the gate I was in. The only way you could get into that particular gate was through security. I reported him immediately. It didn't matter what his appearance was. I thought it was creepy.

    In a gate at one of the airports in Houston, there were a bunch of Middle Eastern men sitting together. When we got on the flight, they all were spread out in the plane. It made both my husband and I uncomfortable. (The hijackers were spread out in one of the flights that left Boston on 9-11.) We reported it. Does that make me a racial profiler?

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    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I feel so bad for them. It must be so hard to be a Muslim and travel in the United States by air. They have to put up with so much ignorant stereotyping by some people. I've heard stupid comments before when I have traveled and it disgusts me.
    Well said!

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    Re: 9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    I'm shocked that you would believe it's OK. Had the exact same words been said by you nothing would have happened nor would have anyone thought twice about it. Because someone is Muslim they were falsely accused.

    I think it's also important to consider that a true terrorist would most likely not dress in traditional Muslim garb and bring attention to themselves if they were plotting evil; not to mention that they all went through security and they had three children under 7 with them.

    Did you read what they actually said? This is America and we must be better than this. Surely you must agree that ignorant passengers should not have the power to disrupt a flight simply because their bigoted fools?
    I understand what you're saying. I'm just describing how I felt when I read the article this morning. I didn't read it and think, "OMG! How dare these people be stopped!" I thought it was appropriate. Had no one said anything about the planes being so close, I would doubt anyone would have reported them.

    I'm sure it's terribly frustrating for Muslims, just like African Americans who have complained to me that they notice people watch them more when they are shopping because people presume that they will steal stuff.

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    Re: 9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post

    In a gate at one of the airports in Houston, there were a bunch of Middle Eastern men sitting together. When we got on the flight, they all were spread out in the plane. It made both my husband and I uncomfortable. (The hijackers were spread out in one of the flights that left Boston on 9-11.) We reported it. Does that make me a racial profiler?
    Sadly I think it does but it's nothing personal against you. Had you noticed a bunch of religious Jews or Christians under the same circumstances you would not have reported them, right? Therefore if the motivation to report them was their religion then you were profiling them and you did make assumptions based on fear rather than fact.

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