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9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

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Deja vu on this story. I seem to recall other incidents of this sort of bigotry and profiling by PASSENGERS leading to other "misunderstandings."

Do you think the accusers should be rebuked for this? This sort of hatred is sickening and shows that there's still a nasty undercurrent of bigotry against American Muslims and like all bigotry the rational is all hate based and not fact based in the least.
It wasn't a bunch of Roman Catholic Granny's that flew planes into buildings. It wasn't middle age mid western men either. It's not Soccer Mom's cutting heads off of their opponents in war. It's not Grunge looking, crack revealing, skate boarding potheads that protest against cartoons about Mohammad.

No, just ignore the comments of people that might fit the profile of a terrorist and make, let's say interesting statements. Stick your head in the sand.

I think people like you should be rebuked for not using your nogg'in, and painting self preservation as bigotry.

If people don't like the manner their "profile" is treated, then aggressively change that profile. Don't shoot messengers that have experienced the wrath of their profile's repeated and unrelenting misdeeds.
 
Yes, how silly of us to think that Arab looking Muslims would blow people up and hijack airliners and fly them into high rises huh?

The thing that fascinates me about the above comments is the vacuum of reality it takes to think that passengers who LOOK like their terrorist countrymen are not going to be suspect and should exercise extreme caution when making vocal comments about security while at the airport or in an aircraft.

Of course, we could ALL just wallow in denial and pretend that Islamic cultures are non-violent and don't go around blowing innocents up and decapitating their captives.

Carry on. :roll:

Ah, so you know what all terrorists look like? Why in the hell aren't you working with the government to wipe these bastards out?! You could be helping to speed up the War on Terror with your keen detecting skills instead of making pointless posts here.
 
It wasn't a bunch of Roman Catholic Granny's that flew planes into buildings. It wasn't middle age mid western men either. It's not Soccer Mom's cutting heads off of their opponents in war. It's not Grunge looking, crack revealing, skate boarding potheads that protest against cartoons about Mohammad.

No, just ignore the comments of people that might fit the profile of a terrorist and make, let's say interesting statements. Stick your head in the sand.

I think people like you should be rebuked for not using your nogg'in, and painting self preservation as bigotry.

If people don't like the manner their "profile" is treated, then aggressively change that profile. Don't shoot messengers that have experienced the wrath of their profile's repeated and unrelenting misdeeds.

There you go again, confusing the PC crowd with REALITY. :rofl
 
Ah, so you know what all terrorists look like?

Only someone wallowing in denial, like you perhaps, can post such a trite personal attack in a vacuum of REALITY.

I guess you and a few other PC kooks still don't know what terrorists look like and what their primary religious faith is.

Why in the hell aren't you working with the government to wipe these bastards out?! You could be helping to speed up the War on Terror with your keen detecting skills instead of making pointless posts here.

No one can help with the war on terror because PC people in Government and the mainstream media who like you think that terrorists are common criminals and can be contained through denial and “bury-your-head-in-the- sand” rhetoric like the above.

The profound thing about the PC crowd like you is the notion that you could comprehend the threat and deal with it.

Carry on; denial leads to ignorance, don't do denial.

:2wave:
 
I guess you and a few other PC kooks still don't know what terrorists look like and what their primary religious faith is.

And when the terrorists turn or create a white American looking terrorist to do the deed you and other neocons will scream "Why weren't they checking everyone?".

Carry on with your denial :2wave:
 
There you go again, confusing the PC crowd with REALITY. :rofl
The reality: Terrorists have used planes as weapons.
The reality: Terrorists have been Muslim.
The reality: Cartoons are more offensive than cutting off heads of "infidels".
The reality: People don't know how the next attack will be delivered or when, but you can bet it won't be by a Christian plantation owner.
The reality: WASPs have not been the purveyors of terrorism.
The reality: People keep their eyes open, and I can tell you as a frequent flier that their eyes, like mine, don't wander towards Europeans or Asians when it comes to identifying potential threats.

When you see a Muslim looking individual coming into the cabin, you just pay a little closer attention. It's called self preservation.

That's reality.
 
Only someone wallowing in denial, like you perhaps, can post such a trite personal attack in a vacuum of REALITY.

I guess you and a few other PC kooks still don't know what terrorists look like and what their primary religious faith is.

You can't judge whether someone is a terrorist or not based on the clothes that they wear. That's one of the most idiotic assertions I've ever seen you make. Besides, do you really think that all terrorists dress like a stereotypical terrorist? Are clothing choices really the best we have to go on as far as classifying terrorists? If so, that's sad. I've read this story and saw the comments that these people made which led them to getting kicked off of the plane. I saw nothing that would lead a rational thinking person to believe that there was an actual threat. The bottom line is that people have become idiotic in their paranoia.

No one can help with the war on terror because PC people in Government and the mainstream media who like you think that terrorists are common criminals and can be contained through denial and “bury-your-head-in-the- sand” rhetoric like the above.

The profound thing about the PC crowd like you is the notion that you could comprehend the threat and deal with it.

Carry on; denial leads to ignorance, don't do denial.

:2wave:

It has nothing to do with being PC, it has to do with being smart enough to not judge people on shallow criteria like clothing or religion. If a Christian had made those same comments there wouldn't have been an issue at all. When people get paranoid they get stupid. The fact that you would defend such people speaks volumes about you and your character.
 
And when the terrorists turn or create a white American looking terrorist to do the deed you and other neocons will scream "Why weren't they checking everyone?".

Carry on with your denial :2wave:
The terrorists have tried conversions for this purpose and they will continue to try. The attempt by the shoe bomber wasn't your typical Muslim. But you at least illustrate the fact that it is a "profile" that is responsible.

Good on ya mate.
 
And when the terrorists turn or create a white American looking terrorist to do the deed you and other neocons will scream "Why weren't they checking everyone?".

Carry on with your denial :2wave:

Has that happened to any degree yet? Or is this another of your fantasy arguments that hold little water and contain little in the way of facts or reality?

The bottom line is that one has to be wallowing in denial to believe that terrorists are not typically young Arab Muslim Males. In addition, terrorists typically come from an Islamic faith and are supported by those of Islamic faiths.

I have never seen white people video taping beheading their hostages while video taping them or flying airliners into high rises; but you are free to pretend reality does not exist and that white urban and suburbanites and little old ladies are the ones boarding planes with the intent to hijack them.

The moral of this story and the REALITY is this; if you are of an Islamic background or look Arabic, and that includes Israeli's, don't go mouthing off about security in airports or aircraft unless you are purposely wanting a trip to the FBI security area.

Carry on; denial leads to ignorance, don't do denial. :cool:
 
It has nothing to do with being PC, it has to do with being smart enough to not judge people on shallow criteria like clothing or religion. If a Christian had made those same comments there wouldn't have been an issue at all. When people get paranoid they get stupid. The fact that you would defend such people speaks volumes about you and your character.
That's what I call double drivel. Almost embarrassing to read.

Yeah, there has been unending acts of paranoia and stupidity. Everyday we see people calling for the cabin crew to report strange behavior. Everyday we hear of flights stopped and luggage taken off the plane, screened again and reloaded. Everyday we hear of Terror looking individuals denied the seats they have paid for.

And No, that the terrorists are Muslims, that has no influence. Who cares... let's screen all Grannies because they seem likely to be the next group of terrorists in disguise.
 
That's what I call double drivel. Almost embarrassing to read.

Yeah, there has been unending acts of paranoia and stupidity. Everyday we see people calling for the cabin crew to report strange behavior. Everyday we hear of flights stopped and luggage taken off the plane, screened again and reloaded. Everyday we hear of Terror looking individuals denied the seats they have paid for.

And No, that the terrorists are Muslims, that has no influence. Who cares... let's screen all Grannies because they seem likely to be the next group of terrorists in disguise.

Ysterday my girlfriend and her son got double checked and bomb sniffed over an egg of playdough.
 
That's what I call double drivel. Almost embarrassing to read.

Then don't read it. :mrgreen:

Yeah, there has been unending acts of paranoia and stupidity. Everyday we see people calling for the cabin crew to report strange behavior. Everyday we hear of flights stopped and luggage taken off the plane, screened again and reloaded. Everyday we hear of Terror looking individuals denied the seats they have paid for.

Exactly, and it's sad isn't it? It's no wonder the airline companies are dying off.

And No, that the terrorists are Muslims, that has no influence. Who cares... let's screen all Grannies because they seem likely to be the next group of terrorists in disguise.

Well, considering that being a Muslim in and of itself has absolutely zero to do with being a terrorist, perhaps we should broaden the search or god forbid; stop being so idiotic and paranoid about stupid ****.
 
You can't judge whether someone is a terrorist or not based on the clothes that they wear. That's one of the most idiotic assertions I've ever seen you make.

Who made this argument?


Besides, do you really think that all terrorists dress like a stereotypical terrorist? Are clothing choices really the best we have to go on as far as classifying terrorists? If so, that's sad.

Who made this argument?


I've read this story and saw the comments that these people made which led them to getting kicked off of the plane. I saw nothing that would lead a rational thinking person to believe that there was an actual threat. The bottom line is that people have become idiotic in their paranoia.

Of course you call it paranoia; but then, Muslims are the ones who carry out hijackings and when someone who LOOKS Arabic starts mouthing off about airport security or aircraft security, it is going to make some people very nervous and they will rightly report their concerns to the authorities.

How hard is it for anyone who looks Arabic or Muslim, which includes Israeli’s, Turks etc., to comprehend that these are difficult times and mouthing off out loud about security is a BAD idea when flying?

It has nothing to do with being PC, it has to do with being smart enough to not judge people on shallow criteria like clothing or religion.

Your comments and argument have EVERYTHING to do with PC. Your efforts to make arguments and put words in others mouths is a transparent attempt to defend the idiotic PC notion that people who LOOK Arabic or Muslim and chatting out loud about airport security and aircraft security should be ignored because it might hurt their feelings if they get profiled and yanked off the aircraft.

If a Christian had made those same comments there wouldn't have been an issue at all.

This is another one of those; "because you say so" hypothetical argument made in a vacuum of any facts or reality.

I assure you that if the passenger in front or beside me starts talking about blowing up planes, I will have a serious concern; albeit, less so as we haven't had white Christians running into wedding processions, airports, mosques, busses or trains with bombs strapped to their backs.....EVER.

When people get paranoid they get stupid. The fact that you would defend such people speaks volumes about you and your character.

The fact that you defend the PC notion that it is just paranoia in a vacuum of the facts says a lot about your character, or lack thereof. The notion that you desperately attempt to put words in my mouth that have not been spoken to make such an idiotic personal attack also speaks volumes about YOUR character, or lack thereof.

The fact that you can't even stay on the thread topic speaks volumes to your lack of reading comprehension.

Here was my argument so that you are not confused; if you LOOK Arabic or Muslim, it is a good idea to NOT talk out loud about your opinions about airport security or aircraft security.

I am a White Male and the LAST thing I am going to do is JOKE about security while flying; it is just DUMB and I don't have time to be dragged to a private room to be interviewed by the FBI; and I assure you, there have been many stupid WHITE people dragged there as a result of their idiotic attempts at humor while going through security.

It is not a laughing matter, it is not something to joke about and only stupid people will do it while traveling; and it is even dumber if you happen to have the same ethnic background or appearance that is part of the world where terrorists are bred and come from. This is REALITY and hardly paranoid or stupid or indicative of any character trait.

Carry on; stick a fork in this one, it is well done. :cool:
 
Yes, how silly of us to think that Arab looking Muslims would blow people up and hijack airliners and fly them into high rises huh?

The thing that fascinates me about the above comments is the vacuum of reality it takes to think that passengers who LOOK like their terrorist countrymen are not going to be suspect and should exercise extreme caution when making vocal comments about security while at the airport or in an aircraft.

They didn't make vocal comments about security, they were talking about their seats and the location of the seats. Profile all you want to, I don't care. Just because when I see people dressed in traditional Muslim dress I don't run for the hills or wallow in fear, doesn't mean I don't live in reality. When I fly I do use caution but I use common sense, not profiling, when judging people and their actions.



Of course, we could ALL just wallow in denial and pretend that Islamic cultures are non-violent and don't go around blowing innocents up and decapitating their captives.

Carry on. :roll:

Those passengers were not from an Islamic culture, they were all Americans. You can't deny that.
 
Well, considering that being a Muslim in and of itself has absolutely zero to do with being a terrorist, perhaps we should broaden the search or god forbid; stop being so idiotic and paranoid about stupid ****.

Really? So Muslim terrorists are not acting from some religious impulse?

That's news to...well, Muslim terrorists.
 
Your comments and argument have EVERYTHING to do with PC. Your efforts to make arguments and put words in others mouths is a transparent attempt to defend the idiotic PC notion that people who LOOK Arabic or Muslim and chatting out loud about airport security and aircraft security should be ignored because it might hurt their feelings if they get profiled and yanked off the aircraft.

It's why our airport security "randomly" selects little old ladies to search more intensively, too.
 
Who made this argument?

Oh, I'm sorry. Not just clothes, but the way they look.


Of course you call it paranoia; but then, Muslims are the ones who carry out hijackings and when someone who LOOKS Arabic starts mouthing off about airport security or aircraft security, it is going to make some people very nervous and they will rightly report their concerns to the authorities.

No, Muslim extremists are the ones who carry out hijackings. Oh, and lots of people look Arabic. They weren't mouthing off about anything. They were merely talking amongst themselves about the safest parts of the airplane. Nobody would have thought twice if they were white Christians having the same conversation.

How hard is it for anyone who looks Arabic or Muslim, which includes Israeli’s, Turks etc., to comprehend that these are difficult times and mouthing off out loud about security is a BAD idea when flying?

How is having a discussion considered "mouthing off"? You're right though, perhaps they should clear it with everyone on the plane before they have a discussion that could even remotely be interpreted as bad regardless of how skewed the logic is. :roll:

Your comments and argument have EVERYTHING to do with PC. Your efforts to make arguments and put words in others mouths is a transparent attempt to defend the idiotic PC notion that people who LOOK Arabic or Muslim and chatting out loud about airport security and aircraft security should be ignored because it might hurt their feelings if they get profiled and yanked off the aircraft.

I could care less about whether it hurt their feelings or not. It's idiotic and inconvenient for them. I would feel the same way for any person who would be kicked off of a flight for such idiotic reasons. It has nothing to do with being PC.

This is another one of those; "because you say so" hypothetical argument made in a vacuum of any facts or reality.

I assure you that if the passenger in front or beside me starts talking about blowing up planes, I will have a serious concern; albeit, less so as we haven't had white Christians running into wedding processions, airports, mosques, busses or trains with bombs strapped to their backs.....EVER.

They didn't start talking about blowing up planes.

The fact that you defend the PC notion that it is just paranoia in a vacuum of the facts says a lot about your character, or lack thereof. The notion that you desperately attempt to put words in my mouth that have not been spoken to make such an idiotic personal attack also speaks volumes about YOUR character, or lack thereof.

Yeah, because your attacks thus far haven't been personal at all. :roll:

The fact that you can't even stay on the thread topic speaks volumes to your lack of reading comprehension.

:rofl and right after you accuse me of personal attacks.

Here was my argument so that you are not confused; if you LOOK Arabic or Muslim, it is a good idea to NOT talk out loud about your opinions about airport security or aircraft security.

Why? Because airport security and safety means that you are a terrorist and are planning to blow the plane up? That's quite a stretch.

I am a White Male and the LAST thing I am going to do is JOKE about security while flying; it is just DUMB and I don't have time to be dragged to a private room to be interviewed by the FBI; and I assure you, there have been many stupid WHITE people dragged there as a result of their idiotic attempts at humor while going through security.

Ah, first they mouthed off about it and now they joked about it. Make up your mind.

It is not a laughing matter, it is not something to joke about and only stupid people will do it while traveling; and it is even dumber if you happen to have the same ethnic background or appearance that is part of the world where terrorists are bred and come from. This is REALITY and hardly paranoid or stupid or indicative of any character trait.

Once again, make up your mind.

Carry on; stick a fork in this one, it is well done. :cool:

I love how you always end your posts with these ridiculous catch phrases. :lol:
 
They didn't make vocal comments about security, they were talking about their seats and the location of the seats. Profile all you want to, I don't care.

Really? Do you know the exact context of the conversation? Yes, it was just a bunch of paranoid racists who reported them for no apparent reason for the mere fact that they were having a harmless conversation about the aircraft.

Do not misunderstand my argument, I am not suggesting that the people who overheard the alleged conversation where not overly cautious, my argument is that no matter WHO you are, it is really stupid to be making comments that could be regarded as odd while flying, but even MORE so if you appear Islamic.

Just because when I see people dressed in traditional Muslim dress I don't run for the hills or wallow in fear, doesn't mean I don't live in reality.

Who made this argument or this premise in the thread?


When I fly I do use caution but I use common sense, not profiling, when judging people and their actions.

That is my argument, but I take it further and suggest that if you are of an Islamic background, it behooves you to exercise even MORE caution and refrain from commenting about security, the state of the aircraft or nearness of others etc.

Now as this case is, I think these people are not entitled to any lawsuit actions, but they certainly should get a refund for the airfare they were forced to pay after being removed. I didn’t think that was right at all.
 
Really? So Muslim terrorists are not acting from some religious impulse?

That's news to...well, Muslim terrorists.

They are acting on a religious impulse, but it has nothing to do with the actual Muslim religion. It has to do with their extremist interpretation of that religion.

Would you also categorize a group of idiotic extremists like the Westboro Baptist people with other average Christians?
 
Really? Do you know the exact context of the conversation?


I saw the woman on GMA and she recounted exactly what she was discussing and it was about seating.

my argument is that no matter WHO you are, it is really stupid to be making comments that could be regarded as odd while flying, but even MORE so if you appear Islamic.

I agree that it's stupid to make odd comments while flying but I myself will not judge someone more based on their appearance. That's just me, and I don't care- I am how I am. I've heard enough crap from my husband about this, he is like you, but I just won't do it. I have way too many Arabic friends that it's hard to just profile Muslims based on their appearances.


Now as this case is, I think these people are not entitled to any lawsuit actions, but they certainly should get a refund for the airfare they were forced to pay after being removed. I didn’t think that was right at all.

I agree.
 
They are acting on a religious impulse, but it has nothing to do with the actual Muslim religion. It has to do with their extremist interpretation of that religion.

So it does have to with their being Muslim. Thank you for concurring.

I guess you could argue that Muslim terrorism is just a perverion of Muslim religion, but aside from very few platitudes from the Saudi's and a few other minor Muslim nations when they condemn terror attacks against the US, the Arab Street ain't revolting against such Muslim-centric terrorism. Quite the opposite.

Would you also categorize a group of idiotic extremists like the Westboro Baptist people with other average Christians?

Don't know who they are. But that's besides the point. The Baptist group ain't perping global jihad. The could be accurately described as off-the-reservation idiots. Meanwhile, Muslim terrorists are bred in Muslim schools, find sympathy and support in the Arab Streets and from Muslim governments, and are committing terror attacks across the globe.

Maybe the distinction is lost on you...
 
Quote:Originally Posted by Truth Detector
Really? Do you know the exact context of the conversation?
I saw the woman on GMA and she recounted exactly what she was discussing and it was about seating.

And you are not skeptical of her version of the events without knowing more information?

I think that normal people who exclude anything incriminating when recounting how they got kicked off an aircraft for conversations that frightened other passengers; call me cynical.

But please, for my education, post the transcript so that we can understand what is going on better.
 
So it does have to with their being Muslim. Thank you for concurring.

Uh...no it doesn't. Unless you are foolish enough to think that extremism is only limited to the Muslim religion.

I guess you could argue that Muslim terrorism is just a perverion of Muslim religion, but aside from very few platitudes from the Saudi's and a few other minor Muslim nations when they condemn terror attacks against the US, the Arab Street ain't revolting against such Muslim-centric terrorism. Quite the opposite.

A lot of Muslims have spoken out against terrorism, but it never makes the headlines because people don't give a ****. Regardless, why should they have to? Why should they have to hold the hands of these moronic people who are too ignorant to see the obvious differences and automatically associate Muslims to terrorism?

Don't know who they are. But that's besides the point. The Baptist group ain't perping global jihad. The could be accurately described as off-the-reservation idiots. Meanwhile, Muslim terrorists are bred in Muslim schools, find sympathy and support in the Arab Streets and from Muslim governments, and are committing terror attacks across the globe.

Maybe the distinction is lost on you...

Actually, no. The distinction between Muslim and Muslim extremist isn't lost on me. However, it seems to be lost on you and several others on this forum.
 
Hey Comment Nazi, it was their comments that got them thrown off the plane and justifyably so. Don't yell "fire" in a theater and don't make the type of comments like the stupid idiots did. Let's see if they do it again. If anyone traveling by air nowdays is that stupid they should take up bus riding.

*sigh*

Since WHEN is inquiring about the safest place on an aircraft, or commenting on how close you are to the engines (Boeing 717 - seats are right next to the engines in the rear) out of the usual (especially soon after the CO 737-500 crash in Denver for the safety Q), something that SHOULDN'T be commented on :)roll:), and warranting such blatant over-reaction? Since when is it EVER comparable to shouting fire in a movie theater? What FEASABLE THREAT can it actually pose?

People, seriously, we need to get a ****ing grip here.
 
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