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9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

Great post, thank you. The only problem is that some of the people here do not believe Muslims are due the same rights because "their Creator" is a different one than Jefferson's.

Thanks

It is so revealing to read the posts from people who pretend to be "real" Americans (as their spokesperson Sarah Palin put it) yet in truth are biased, bigoted buffoons whose beliefs are actually anti-American in so many ways.

Why do you have to tinge everything with partisan bickering? Your comment would have been just fine without the "Palin" comment.

I think you are just as bigoted and biased as they are. Do not take this as an insult. All of us have our own bigotry and bias to deal with, every one of us.

You gotta love the people here who justify discriminating against Muslim Americans because they're Muslim! After all Muslims are bad, evil savages...

Yes I do have to love them, and I do. I do not however have to respect the opinion.
 
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A lot of what has been said by IT, jallman, Zyphlin, Deezard, and DiAnna make a lot of sense as there is a fine line in this story.

I'm a proponent of sheer instinct, and yes, most times it is better to err on the side of caution. Having said that, though, can you imagine the backlog of flights if all reported "suspicions" were acted upon? It's bad enough that flights are delayed under normal circumstances, but can you image having to go through what these passengers did on a regular basis?

I wonder how other cases of reported suspicions have been handled, because I seriously doubt this was a rare occurrence. BTW, it was two young girls that reported the family, from what I've read.
 
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They had to fly another airline because they were incensed and making "inappropriate comments" after they and the other passengers were deplaned.

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Ok, I have just googled this and I can't find any articles that say the Muslim family made inappropriate comments after they had deplaned. I realize you may not remember where you saw this, so I welcome anyone else who has seen similar and wants to provide a link.
 
Really? So if Air Tran decided to not allow Muslims to fly you think that would be legal? Really?

No. It would not be legal based on the 14th amendment.

A private club can discriminate. A public business cannot. Freedom of religion extends to all religions not just the majority religion.

I don't think the airline had aproblem with Islam. The problem was with the appearence of the people.

This for me is more about Arab profiling than Islam.

As far as a right to fly in the Constitution that is a ridiculous statement, no offense. Using your thought process I think you're suggesting that the Constitution is not a living document which I think it is.

It is not a living document. This is the reason it is so hard to amend. The founders put the checks and balances in place for a reason.

The concept of rights is not restricted by future inventions. Do you think a car dealer can not sell you a car because you're Black? Can a car rental company not rent you a car because you're a Jew?

Not quite certain what you mean here?
 
Through racial profiling. Congrats, Sherlock.

If we know that muslim terrorist are the group most likely to attack us again why would we be checking a little old white lady in a wheel chair. Thats just plain stupid, search those from the group that is most likely to commit a terrorist act, muslims.

People wearing muslim clothing we should check, airlines should also know the religion of all passengers. If were going to do this right then we should be fare about it and check all muslims regardless of their race.
 
If we know that muslim terrorist are the group most likely to attack us again why would we be checking a little old white lady in a wheel chair. Thats just plain stupid, search those from the group that is most likely to commit a terrorist act, muslims.

Roughly 80,000 Hispanic and White Muslims live in the US.

People wearing muslim clothing we should check, airlines should also know the religion of all passengers.

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So much for freedom of religion if you are traveling in the US.

If were going to do this right then we should be fare about it and check all muslims regardless of their race.

Welcome to Warsaw 1939.
 
If we know that muslim terrorist are the group most likely to attack us again why would we be checking a little old white lady in a wheel chair. Thats just plain stupid, search those from the group that is most likely to commit a terrorist act, muslims.

People wearing muslim clothing we should check, airlines should also know the religion of all passengers. If were going to do this right then we should be fare about it and check all muslims regardless of their race.

I can't really agree with that. After all, the 9/11 hijackers were clean-shaven and dressed in western street clothes. In the USA, Muslims come in all colors, all races, and white Christian bombers are NOT unknown.

I agree that vigilance is crucial, despite the annoyances. But just about the time we decide that little old white ladies in wheel chairs are safe, you can believe that the next disaster will be wrought by a little old white lady in a wheel chair.

A Muslim dressed in traditional robes is doing so because of their religious belief, even knowing that some irrational folks will automatically suspect them. The ones who have evil plans shave, dye their hair and wear dockers.
 
Roughly 80,000 Hispanic and White Muslims live in the US.



:shock: :shock:

So much for freedom of religion if you are traveling in the US.



Welcome to Warsaw 1939.

Thats a bit of an over exaggeration don't ya think.
Warsaw 1939, Jews were rounded up and forced to wear arm bands, to live in the ghetto, and work in forced labor factories. How can you compare that to checking someones carry on bag. Please. Don't you think it would be smart to know who the potential terrorist are? Political correctness makes me wanna vomit. Everyone is so afraid they might offend someone. Well if offending me will keep us safe then search my bags, hell strip search me. What ever it takes.
 
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Thats a bit of an over exaggeration don't ya think.
Warsaw 1939, Jews were rounded up and forced where arm bands, to live in the ghetto, and work in forced labor factories. How can you compare that to checking someones carry on bag. Please.

That is not what you said.

"People wearing muslim clothing we should check, airlines should also know the religion of all passengers. If were going to do this right then we should be fare about it and check all muslims regardless of their race." - SgtRock

It always starts out small. Look at your history.

Don't you think it would be smart to know who the potential terrorist are?

If we sacrifice privacy and freedom in the process, no! If that is the case I waisted my time for 12 years! I refuse to live in fear because of 9/11 or any other terrorist act.

Political correctness makes me wanna vomit. Everyone is so afraid they might offend someone. Well if offending me will keep us safe then search my bags, hell strip search me. What ever it takes.

So much for liberty and freedom. According to the founders you deserve neither.
 
That is not what you said.

"People wearing muslim clothing we should check, airlines should also know the religion of all passengers. If were going to do this right then we should be fare about it and check all muslims regardless of their race." - SgtRock

It always starts out small. Look at your history.



If we sacrifice privacy and freedom in the process, no! If that is the case I waisted my time for 12 years! I refuse to live in fear because of 9/11 or any other terrorist act.



So much for liberty and freedom. According to the founders you deserve neither.

Im not living in fear, Im just saying that we need to be dilgent in our efforts to protect Americans from those that would do us harm.

Damn, you was in da joint for 12 years?
 
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Yea, it sucked! Hell my MOS does not even exist anymore!


Neither does mine I was a 54E20. That was a nuclear Biological Chemical operations specialist. I think its a 74D now
 
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Neither does mine I was a 54E20. That was a nuclear Biological Chemical operations specialist. I think its a 74D now

Good to meet you troop.

Now if I can only convince you to be against profiling. ;)
 
Good to meet you troop.

Now if I can only convince you to be against profiling. ;)

What harm does it do if we check people from a group that wish us harm. Think about it 98% of all terrorist attacks against the west are commited by muslims. If I were muslim I would understand if I were singled out because of my religion. Im not saying we should torture them for christ sake. Just take them aside and search them. Whats the big deal?
 
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Actually I believe it is YOU who has given in to terrorism by living in fear and by being OK with the destruction of our Constitution.

Ever hear of "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death"? Do you disagree? Patrick Henry said it more than 200 years ago and it has stood the test of time.

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What harm does it do if we check people from a group that wish us harm. Think about it 98% of all terrorist attacks against the west are commited by muslims. If I were muslim I would understand if I were singled out because of my religion. Im not saying we should torture them for christ sake. Just take them aside and search them. Whats the big deal?

I am a black man, it is most definitely insulting, degrading and utterly humiliating. Been there and done that.

I cannot in good conscience support such actions by our government. It is an invasion of privacy and the slow eroding of freedom, period.

Anyway, I am off to bed.

Good night and God bless.
 
Were they beheading people and posting it on youtube or hijacking planes? Did the Pope make a call for such violence and make the small conflict a "catholic" thing throughout the world? You score no points with such irrelevance.

I love the way Christian extreamists are somehow absolved because it didnt do the exact same things. No no planes were hijacked but they are still digging up mass graves in Spain thanks to an explicitly catholic organisation. Rather then condeming these people the catholic church was explicitly on the facist side during the Civil War. As it was in facist Croatia [you can see fotage of preists overseeing the murder of serbs and jews] and facist Portugal. If the pope was opossed to what these people where doing then why did he not say so?
 
I love the way Christian extreamists are somehow absolved because it didnt do the exact same things.

No, they are not absolved. However, it is shown time and time again that random examples of other extremists doing bad things is not relevant to the discussion at hand. If you want to talk about bad Christians, then at least do it in a relevant context rather than hijacking a conversation so that you can get your anti-Christian angst out there yet again.
 
No, they are not absolved. However, it is shown time and time again that random examples of other extremists doing bad things is not relevant to the discussion at hand. If you want to talk about bad Christians, then at least do it in a relevant context rather than hijacking a conversation so that you can get your anti-Christian angst out there yet again.

This is nothing to do with "anti-Christian" angst. You made the point that Christian leaders have not been responsible for condoneing the violence. I provided examples of were this happend. There was no hijacking involved that was a direct responce to your point. These were not "random christians". On the contrary its likely they killed many times the amount Al Queda has. Not to mention the fact that I think its fair to say that european facism was quite a coordinated effort.
 
This is nothing to do with "anti-Christian" angst. You made the point that Christian leaders have not been responsible for condoneing the violence. I provided examples of were this happend. There was no hijacking involved that was a direct responce to your point. These were not "random christians". On the contrary its likely they killed many times the amount Al Queda has. Not to mention the fact that I think its fair to say that european facism was quite a coordinated effort.

I made the argument that comparing Christian violence in today's world and the Muslim extremist conflict is disingenuous because there isn't a comparison.

If Christians were beheading people and flying planes into buildings, a crucifix worn around the neck would be part of the profile at the airport. But they don't so its not.

And I am skeptical that you will find a papal bull condoning the violence you talked about whereas fatwas come down almost weekly.

It's just not comparable in this context.
 
People wearing muslim clothing we should check, airlines should also know the religion of all passengers. If were going to do this right then we should be fare about it and check all muslims regardless of their race.
This sort of thinking is beyond reality. America is not like this and hopefully never will be.

If you want to live in a country that "checks" all people of one religion I suggest you move to whichever dictatorship you support the most.

Imagine forcing all Muslims to be "checked"!
 
Thats a bit of an over exaggeration don't ya think.
Warsaw 1939, Jews were rounded up and forced to wear arm bands, to live in the ghetto, and work in forced labor factories. How can you compare that to checking someones carry on bag. Please. Don't you think it would be smart to know who the potential terrorist are? Political correctness makes me wanna vomit. Everyone is so afraid they might offend someone. Well if offending me will keep us safe then search my bags, hell strip search me. What ever it takes.
You've changed your mind? Your last post you wrote that you wanted people to have to identify their religion before boarding an airplane AND that all Muslims must be "checked." That is not America, that is evil.

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I made the argument that comparing Christian violence in today's world and the Muslim extremist conflict is disingenuous because there isn't a comparison.

If Christians were beheading people and flying planes into buildings, a crucifix worn around the neck would be part of the profile at the airport. But they don't so its not.

And I am skeptical that you will find a papal bull condoning the violence you talked about whereas fatwas come down almost weekly.

It's just not comparable in this context.
This happened after the 1st WTC bombing and was purely American:

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If we know that muslim terrorist are the group most likely to attack us again why would we be checking a little old white lady in a wheel chair. Thats just plain stupid, search those from the group that is most likely to commit a terrorist act, muslims.

Ah. So now Muslims are more likely to commit a terrorist act simply because they're Muslim. Your intolerance towards others is simply amazing.

People wearing muslim clothing we should check, airlines should also know the religion of all passengers. If were going to do this right then we should be fare about it and check all muslims regardless of their race.

This would be funny if it were not so sad. :doh
 
Ah. So now Muslims are more likely to commit a terrorist act simply because they're Muslim. Your intolerance towards others is simply amazing.



This would be funny if it were not so sad. :doh

What group is carrying out the majority of terrorist attacks against the west? Muslims are.

Israels National carrier El Al Airlines uses sophisticated racial and religious profiling, interrogation and inspection methods which have thwarted hijacking and bombing attempts. Guess what, it works. Im sorry if muslims are offended by El Al Airlines security but it saves lifes at the expense of offending muslims. Surely muslims arn't so thin skinned that they cannot understand the need for such extreme measures.
 
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