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    Re: 9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I am simply saying that we need to be just a little extra secure against middle eastern muslims, whether they are "obviously such" or "possibly not but we ain't taking any chances" appearing. It has been a reality that the true shock troops for Islam's version of crazy Jesus jumpers doesn't exactly wear a uniform and I would hate to think we missed one because it suddenly developed a sense of honor.
    So by alienating the very community needed on your side, you seek to stop terrorism or the threat of terrorism? That makes no sense.

    I'd rather more random searches was made

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    Re: 9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

    Orlando, Fla.-based AirTran said in a statement that it refunded the passengers' air fare and planned to reimburse them for replacement tickets they bought on US Airways. AirTran also offered to take the passengers back to Washington free of charge.

    "We apologize to all of the passengers—to the nine who had to undergo extensive interviews from the authorities and to the 95 who ultimately made the flight," the statement said. "Nobody on Flight 175 reached their destination on time on New Year's Day, and we regret it."

    The airline said the incident on the flight was a misunderstanding, but the steps taken were necessary.

    A U.S. Muslim advocacy group, meanwhile, filed a complaint Friday with the U.S. Department of Transportation. "It is incumbent on any airline to ensure that members of the traveling public are not singled out or mistreated based on their perceived race, religion or national origin" the Council for American-Islamic Relations said.

    One of the Muslim passengers, Atif Irfan, said the family probably would not fly home with AirTran because members had already booked tickets on another airline, but appreciated the apology.

    "It's definitely nice to hear," he said.

    Irfan said when he boarded the flight Thursday, he mentioned something to his wife and sister-in-law about having to sit in the back. His sister-in-law replied that she believed the back of the airplane was the safest, but Irfan believed it was better to be by the wings.

    "She said, 'Yes, I guess it makes sense not to be close to the engine in case something happens,'" Irfan recalled Friday. "It was a very benign conversation."

    Shortly after taking their seats, members of the group were approached by federal air marshals and taken off the plane, Irfan said. They stood in the jet bridge connected to the airport and answered questions while other passengers exited and glared at them.
    AirTran apologizes for removing Muslim passengers

    Oh look, the airliner did the right thing... amazing thing eh?

    They had no law against their actions, and didn't HAVE to do this. That they hadn't is their right. It is also not a shock to read this, it was expected. So this is now an almost non-issue.
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    Re: 9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    So by alienating the very community needed on your side, you seek to stop terrorism or the threat of terrorism? That makes no sense.

    I'd rather more random searches was made


    Random searches means less time spent on the most likely targets.. might "feel good" but isn't practical.
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    Re: 9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Not really... National Health care is a disaster, how can there be a debate over the issue?


    Wait you said let's not get into it!
    And private healthcare is so damn perfect itself.

    Either way, you keep your services. We'll keep our NHS.
    I just wish the Government would quit pussy footing around and nationalise the train system already

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    Re: 9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Random searches means less time spent on the most likely targets.. might "feel good" but isn't practical.
    I doubt any future terrorist would be stupid enough to go for planes anymore.
    I'd imagine they target the weak spots such as buses, trains. How do you secure those?

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    Re: 9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I doubt any future terrorist would be stupid enough to go for planes anymore.
    You're probably right on that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'd imagine they target the weak spots such as buses, trains. How do you secure those?
    The terrorist are idiots that's half the problem and half the blessing. You don't hit planes, buses or trains. You do hits that would REALLY screw things up. They lack a fundamental understanding of America. Let's just hope they don't get smart and actually make effective attacks.
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    Re: 9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    So by alienating the very community needed on your side, you seek to stop terrorism or the threat of terrorism? That makes no sense.

    I'd rather more random searches was made
    There isn't a "random" enemy anymore. The enemy has been identified as fitting into a profile. It's not narrow enough, but it is sufficient for our uses in winning the global conflict at this time.

    We're not infringing on anyone's rights in an undue way that isn't a commensurate response to the threats against security already posed. If we were being attacked on that scale by environmental activists, we would be narrowing it down to hippies and other granola idealogues.

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    Re: 9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

    Look at my post on Page 7. What terrorists wear on what occasion can in no way be a pretext for what there about to do. Just because there dressed in traditional attire, or not, should have little bearing in how they are dealt with by security. So being a Muslim dressed traditionally is legitimate cause for investigation.

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    Re: 9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You're probably right on that.

    The terrorist are idiots that's half the problem and half the blessing. You don't hit planes, buses or trains. You do hits that would REALLY screw things up. They lack a fundamental understanding of America. Let's just hope they don't get smart and actually make effective attacks.
    Half the problem?
    I thank God they are as stupid as they were.

    But unfortunately they are getting smart
    Most of UK's attacks are now coming from people who studied in Cambridge, the Gods among Universities within UK and are doctors ;/

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    Re: 9 Muslim Passengers Removed From Jet

    This should not even be an issue in the United States. You cannot guarantee freedom to certain people. It must pertain to all people within our boarders or it is fake.

    My hero sums it up best...

    ""An equal application of law to every condition of man is fundamental." - Thomas Jefferson

    Profiling or anything similar is absolutely in direct opposition of what this country is supposed to stand for.

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." - Thomas Jefferson
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