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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    There is no evidence that second hand smoke is dangerous.
    There is PLENTY of evidence. Did you even read the article in the OP?
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So if a majority of a business's customers are allergic to a certain type of perfume, the government should be able to ban it? It's a public safety issue and their customer's health is at risk. Businesses are their to serve others but they should also be allowed to run their business the way they want to within the law, and last I checked cigarettes are still legal. For instance you say they have to take in all of their customers not just a few, for lots of businesses it's the other way around. Most of their customers are smokers and a few are not. So they now have to accomodate their few customers instead of the majority because of a law that forces them to.
    There is a stark difference between an allergy and a POISON!
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The government places restrictions on a LARGE NUMBER of legal substances.

    Always nice to see people who support the right of government to tell me what I can or cannot put into my body. Heck it's not like I own myself or any such nonsense.

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
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    I have an alternate interpretation which none of the smoker-haters have considered.

    Perhaps what this study means is that, in the absence of life-giving second-hand cigarette smoke, 40% of the people who normally would've made it as far as the hospital when they had a heart attack instead flat-out dropped dead.



    This is what happens when you rely on anecdotal evidence to make your case.

    That is all.
    That is your interpretation. Remember, this article only gave numbers and some basic conclusions. Personally, I would like to find the actual published study. I trust the doctors and scientists on this. There is SO MUCH evidence that second hand smoke is harmful that those who deny it are approaching deserving of tin hat status.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
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    Of course, I have been called an anti-smoking Nazi or other such things, but I will not tolerate those who will force their poison on me.

    No one should be allowed to smoke in public places, or in places where children are forced to be (ie schools, homes with children or cars with children as passengers.)

    Taiwan is nine days away from relatively strict anti-smoking laws coming into effect. I, for one, am going to celebrate January 11, 2009 as a day of liberation from smokers who have no regard for the rights or health of non-smokers.
    If the state does not want people to smoke in public places then that is fine but that means actual public owned property not private property. The wishes of private property owners should not be overridden in this way. If you want to go to a bar which doesn't allow smoking then start one or frequent one like this.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's okay to deny others their liberty if it's for a good cause. Obviously this study proves out everything and we should take it as holy writ!

    Let's all celebrate the day Liberty was denied!
    Where is the right to pollute with a known toxin guaranteed in the Constitution?
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Where is the right to pollute with a known toxin guaranteed in the Constitution?
    It isn't polluting because as far as I know no one is suggesting that many outside the area where people are smoking is being harmed. It isn't as if the smoke from bars gathers around the city and harms those miles away. As for within private property, well that is your choice, if you don't want to breathe the air then don't go inside.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Bully for those who wish to live in a city where the government nanny rules. If someone wants to smoke, it's their business and not the government's, unless the smoker is causing non-smokers to breath his smoke. Here, it looks like the Nazis DID take over.
    Where did you get the right to breathe out your toxin in a place where the public congregates?
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Where did you get the right to breathe out your toxin in a place where the public congregates?
    When the property owner gave you permission.

    Private property is not sovereign but it should carry a lot of rights with it including whether you allow people to smoke on it.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Allusionation View Post
    Isn't Obama a closet smoker? I can't see him taking up the issue if he's lighting up too.
    State and local governments have taken the lead on this in the US (as they should.) This is NOT an issue for the Federal government.

    Here in Taiwan, the national government set the new law, but the local governments are working on enforcement schemes. Many are going to make it possible for local residents to report restraurants and other public access places that don't enforce the laws with photographic evidence and share the fine with those reporting them. This could be quite the cottage industry in these tough economic times.
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