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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Yes.. I am one and would never dream of tossing my butts out the window! Birds can DIE from ciggy butts. I also have a tinfoil like ashtray thingy (more like a little pocket thing and hard to describe) I keep in my purse to use to put my ciggy's out in public if I cannot find a public ashtray

    I totally respect my non-smoking friends by not smoking around em unless they tell me it is o.k.
    Will you go around the country teaching a "Smoker's Ettiquette Class"? I'll be your publicist.

    If there were more smokers like you, Kali, I would be much more accepting of smoking.

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Please do not hate me cause that would break my heart. For real
    I say that, Kali, but I can't hate all smokers. I have co-workers who I absolutely adore and they smoke. I just don't hang out with them when they do.

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Public access is bull**** word used as excuse for depriving people of property rights. The fact that the public can come into a bar does not make it not private property any more or mean that these people can't decide for themselves whether to go into that property.
    The one that irks me is that in my city you cannot smoke on bar patios or inside the bar... but you can't bring your beer onto the sidewalk... one bouncer at a bar put it perfectly : ONE vice at a time.

    So, why didn't you ever see non-smoking bars before government decided to get these crazy laws in place?? Because most of the people that drink at bars also smoke... yet it seems that even having a closed off smoking section isn't enough.

    People are capable of deciding these things for themselves, they don't need tthe state to deprive the rights of property owners.
    Precisely.

    Seriously... at this point, why not just ban the sale of tobacco... let people grow it for themselves or get it off the black market. Smoking rates would quickly drop to the point of non-existance because the more addictive additives would no longer be found, smoking is an unpleasant activity to start, having to deal with a 'cigarette dealer' in a back alley wouldn't appeal to many, and the people that are highly addicted would just have to resort to either growing their own or dealing with the withdrawal.


    I see it as just an example of how social engineering works :
    a) increase taxes related to the undesired behavior
    b) add a new regulation to restrict the activity further
    c) heavily advertise the negatives of the behavior and the outcome
    d) let people adjust to the new reality
    e) repeat untill the behavior becomes a 'non-issue'

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Allusionation View Post
    Isn't Obama a closet smoker? I can't see him taking up the issue if he's lighting up too.
    He says he has quit now but we all know how hard it is to stop the nicotine habit. He did say that he will never smoke in or around the White House which is completely non-smoking.

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    Who has advocated allowing people to smoke wherever they want?

    I don't mind stepping outside to smoke, but I do mind when the government tells owners of private property that people no longer have the right to smoke on it.

    That said, I do believe that every airport needs a smoking section. I got stuck in Phoenix Sky Harbor for 3 hours and they wouldn't let me go outside because of all the fear of hijacking. That's bull****, smokers pay billions of extra dollars in taxes every year ye not-as-patriotic non-smokers do so, yes, smokers should get some rights.
    You couldn't feel comfortable by not smoking for three hours? What does that say about the level of your nicotine addiction? If you're willing to admit your addicted doesn't that make you also realize that the only reason people smoke is because of nicotine? If they took all nicotine out of cigarettes what would happen to the cigarette industry?

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I really don't think there is (evidence that second hand smoke kills).
    WOW! Are you saying that the American Lung Association, the American Cancer Society, the National Institute of Health, the EPA et al are all lying and making it all up in some sort of ponzi scheme?

    Secondhand Smoke Fact Sheet - American Lung Association site

    Secondhand Smoke Fact Sheet

    Secondhand smoke, also know as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of a cigarette, pipe or cigar and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of smokers. It is involuntarily inhaled by nonsmokers, lingers in the air hours after cigarettes have been extinguished and can cause or exacerbate a wide range of adverse health effects, including cancer, respiratory infections, and asthma.

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    Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (Group A carcinogen).

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    Secondhand smoke exposure causes disease and premature death in children and adults who do not smoke. Secondhand smoke contains hundreds of chemicals known to be toxic or carcinogenic, including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic ammonia and hydrogen cyanide.

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    Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 22,700-69,600 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year.

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    Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at work are at increased risk for adverse health effects. Levels of secondhand smoke in restaurants and bars were found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers and 2 to 6 times higher than in office workplaces.

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    Since 1999, 70 percent of the U.S. workforce worked under a smoke-free policy, ranging from 83.9 percent in Utah to 48.7 percent in Nevada. Workplace productivity was increased and absenteeism was decreased among former smokers compared with current smokers.
    ACS :: Secondhand Smoke

    Secondhand Smoke: Questions and Answers - National Cancer Institute

    Secondhand Smoke | Indoor Environmental Asthma Triggers | Asthma | Indoor Air Quality | Air | US EPA

    Secondhand Smoke - no-smoke.org

    And if all of that is not a "mountain of evidence" then just go to this Google page for an endless mountain that proves that second hand smoke kills.

    second hand smoke - Google Search

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Do you own property?
    Yes I do. Private property and commercial property are regulated very differently. There are a "mountain" of laws that protect the public in commercial establishments i.e. health laws about food quality, laws about cleanliness in a restaurant etc. No smoking is the same thing. It protects the public from exposure to a known carcinogen. The EPA protects America from businesses poisoning us. Smoking poisons Americans.

    Here in NYC we've had a city wide indoor smoking ban in all commercial establishments for quite a few years now and I know of no statistics that support that businesses went belly up because people couldn't smoke inside.

    I could make a strong argument that more people go to restaurants now knowing that they the air quality inside is not poisoned by someone else's carcinogen.

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    There is no evidence that second hand smoke is dangerous.
    I am a registered respiratory therapist.Without listing the reasons/rational for why I ,and others,believe that second hand smoke is bad for the person recieving it,I come down on the side of the smoker haveing the right to smoke and the businesses haveing the freedom to say yes or no...You can smoke here. I have a 30 pack year smokeing history and an shakeable belief that cigs are bad for you(it comes with the education). OK take the test! Go to a bar for 4 hrs where there is heavy tobacco use,have fun,pick up a date,have more fun,Then in a well lighted room swab areas around your nose with a white hanky. End of test. The results may influence your beliefs,but the tyranical U.S.Gov shouldn`t be allowed to force new beliefs on you.SMOKE...SMOKE...SMOKE dat cigarett,but blow the smoke the other way please.

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Family Guy View Post
    You couldn't feel comfortable by not smoking for three hours? What does that say about the level of your nicotine addiction? If you're willing to admit your addicted doesn't that make you also realize that the only reason people smoke is because of nicotine? If they took all nicotine out of cigarettes what would happen to the cigarette industry?
    Hey when I quit the last time which was 10 years ago, I bought some of those herbal cigarettes that have no nicotine in them and they do not satisfy at all. I still have 4 packs of them in my freezer. I pulled one out several months back cause I just felt like smoking, and although I actually enjoyed it for sentimental reasons, I got nothing physically satisfying out of it, just the blowing smoke part was kinda cool.

    I had a huge plan when I quit because I was so addicted. I knew I couldn't think straight when I needed my nicotine fix. It was a real bitch.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    So you should not be able to be smoke outside? If it is a public place? I do not see the big deal and having said that? I would make sure if I was in an area where there were kids to step off somewhere to myself to smoke. I would NOT be smoking in an area full of kids but at the same time? I should be allowed as a free citzen in this country to find a smoking spot in a Public Park and be able to smoke my ciggy in peace.
    Kali makes a very good point.Even the sight of an adult doing bad things can influence a child to emulate the ADULT behavior(just buy a kid a pack of candy cigs...it takes the kid about 10 seconds to fire one up with his/her imaginary lighter) If you want your children to smoke just do it in front of them and then tell them,"don`t you EVER smoke". As to the air quality/second hand smoke deal...there are ways to clean the air up reasonably well in public places,and if you feel its not clean enough,don`t go there or write your do-nothing congressman( not about bannig smokeing ..demand better air cleaning system regs)

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