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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    There is no evidence that second hand smoke is dangerous.
    What are you talking about? There's mountains of evidence that second hand smoke is a serious killer.

    Do you smoke?

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Decline for who?

    Lets use common sense. If they did not separate smokers from non-smokers how accurate are the results they want to claim?

    Occam's Razor man.
    A 41% decline in hospitalized heart attacks in Pueblo, the city that enacted the ban. Clear from the article cited in the OP. On only three years, that is a VERY sharp decline - far lower than the the nation as a whole, or even the State of Colorado I would guess.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You mean like everyone that works in a factory or drives a car?
    I am a strong proponent of strict emissions controls. So THERE!
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    No the issue is you don't respect private property. It is that simple.
    Private property rights are not and never have been absolute. That is even more so when you make it public access.

    People are able to make the choice whether they want to go into a bar that allows smoking. They don't need tyrannical collectivism to make the choice for them.
    They can smoke at home if they have no children and it is not entering the living space of their neighbors. Other than that, keep your nasty habit away from the civilized people of the world who don't smoke a cancer stick.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I've yet to see a case of someone being harmed by second hand smoke.
    Then you have Ostrich Syndrome. I was harmed by it as a child, among MANY others.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    When the property owner gave you permission.

    Private property is not sovereign but it should carry a lot of rights with it including whether you allow people to smoke on it.

    Exactly, and as our forefathers envisioned, the rights in the US Constitution are based on property. If the non-smokers wish to break the Constitution by forcing private property owners to bend to the collectivist will, then let them move to a country that is more to their liking, like Communist China.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    There are some, no argument. I have some friends who are. However, I would say that the majority, in my experience, are not.
    Well at least you will admit there are some cause a lot of the anti-smoking freaks refuse to admit it

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Exactly, and as our forefathers envisioned, the rights in the US Constitution are based on property. If the non-smokers wish to break the Constitution by forcing private property owners to bend to the collectivist will, then let them move to a country that is more to their liking, like Communist China.
    Not the best idea.

    Taking a single breath in Beijing is the equivalent of smoking a carton of cigarettes.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    Not the best idea.

    Taking a single breath in Beijing is the equivalent of smoking a carton of cigarettes.
    And its even worse when you enter their cigarette-smoke filled restaurants.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Are you one of them, Kali? What constitutes a courteous smoker?

    99% of the time I am driving, I see at least one smoker throw his/her cigarette butt out the window.

    When I do a clean-up of my neighborhood, 90% of what I pick up are cigarette butts.

    When I cross in a crosswalk at a stop light, I see at least 20 cigarette butts on the ground.

    When I enter and leave the subway system (which doesn't allow smoking), I see 30 to 40 cigarette butts right outside the entrance/exit.

    Smokers sure are courteous, aren't they?
    Yes.. I am one and would never dream of tossing my butts out the window! Birds can DIE from ciggy butts. I also have a tinfoil like ashtray thingy (more like a little pocket thing and hard to describe) I keep in my purse to use to put my ciggy's out in public if I cannot find a public ashtray

    I totally respect my non-smoking friends by not smoking around em unless they tell me it is o.k.
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