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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    OK, I'll give you partial credit for this one. While you weren't in dagner of a heart attack or heart disease as a child, you were submitted to second hand smoke and it was forced on you. Having said this, you were a child with no rights and unless you still live at home, you would only be submitted to their second hand smoke if you visit them (assuming they are still alive).
    PARTIAL credit? I was subjected to it for EIGHTEEN YEARS! It WAS forced on me. And it IS a cause and contributor to childhood ailments. Please educate yourself. My brother and I both had asthma as children - something that does NOT run in my family. I do NOT suffer from it NOW. My doctor is of the belief that it was because I was subjected to the second-hand smoke of my parents.

    As for my parents, fortunately, my mother has given up the disgusting habit. Sadly, it killed my father.

    A few years ago...enough said.
    It still happened. It can't now because smoking in restaurants in Taiwan is mostly banned now.

    But you weren't forced into this situation, it is one that arose. Were you tied to the chair you were sitting in? Did someone hold a gun to your head and tell you to not move? Sorry, but this one doesn't count either.
    So I have to move because a smoker decides to light up where I am enjoying a nice morning with my family? Tyranny of the smokers.

    So her smell was forced upon you, but not her second hand smoke? Ahh, I see, it's not just the second hand smoke that bothers you. The true nature of your red herring comes out.
    She was still breathing smoke when she came in. It was absolutely DISGUSTING.

    None of the instances you listed still exist today. Your stories started out with "Growing up...", "a few years ago..." and "Once..." - what a sham. You can be the smoking hall monitor if you so desire, but I find it truly pathetic. No one is forcing second hand smoke on you today. You have the right to not enter a place of business or a residence if smoking is taking place if it offends you so much. No one is taking that right away from you.
    The second one could not happen today here due to anti-smoking laws. Were it not for the laws being passed by government to protect non-smokers, it would still be commonplace. Would I be able to fly on a plane smoke-free were it not for anti-smoking laws?

    There are still children today having second-hand smoked forced on them by their parents. There are still work meetings held in restaurants in the US and other countries where workers are subjected to smoke. Smokers still force their poison on other places such as public parks and baseball stadiums. FOrtunately, the later becomes illegal where I live in SEVEN days. The LAW is providing more protections for non-smokers. LIVE WITH IT!
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    For the record, I no longer smoke since I quit several years ago.
    Good for you. One of the best decisions you ever made.

    I don't like the smell of smoke, and it irritates me a little when I end up smelling it. However, I think people like aps and ludahai are just control freaks who use these minor irritations as excuses to regulate behavior that is not truly harming them in any significant way.
    Actually, I am not a control freak. However, we are talking about a highly carcigonenic poison. You should hear what a friend of mine here who is a cancer research says about the poisons in second-hand smoke.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It was not a study specificly on second hand smoke or it's affects...

    "But the study had limitations: It assumed declines in the amount of secondhand smoke in Pueblo buildings after the ban, but did not try to measure that. The researchers also did not sort out which heart attack patients were smokers and which were not, so it's unclear how much of the decline can be attributed to reduced secondhand smoke.

    One academic argued there's not enough evidence to conclude the smoking ban was the cause of Pueblo's heart attack decline.

    The decline could have had more to do with a general decline in smoking in Pueblo County, from about 26 percent in 2002-2003 to less than 21 percent in 2004-2005. If there were stepped-up efforts to treat or prevent heart disease in the Pueblo area, that too could have played a role, said Dr. Michael Siegel, a professor of social and behavioral sciences at the Boston University School of Public Health.

    "I don't think it's as clear as they're making it out to be," Siegel said.
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    It was from 6 years ago and is still using the exaggerations of earlier studies. Or as I call it, a lie.
    Actually, the study was from three years ago. 41% decline. PRetty dramatic in three years.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So you believe in punishing everyone for someone else's actions? Because you feel inconvenienced?



    You have got to be kidding.



    Then you have issues.
    The issue is not wanting to have a cancer-causing poison forced on us by the tyranny of smokers.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Actually, the study was from three years ago. 41% decline. PRetty dramatic in three years.
    Decline for who?

    Lets use common sense. If they did not separate smokers from non-smokers how accurate are the results they want to claim?

    Occam's Razor man.

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The issue is not wanting to have a cancer-causing poison forced on us by the tyranny of smokers.
    You mean like everyone that works in a factory or drives a car?

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The issue is not wanting to have a cancer-causing poison forced on us by the tyranny of smokers.
    No the issue is you don't respect private property. It is that simple.

    People are able to make the choice whether they want to go into a bar that allows smoking. They don't need tyrannical collectivism to make the choice for them.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Allergies are things people have no control over. The number of people who are harmed by perfume is minimal. The same cannot be said for second-hand smoke.
    I've yet to see a case of someone being harmed by second hand smoke.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    No the issue is you don't respect private property. It is that simple.

    People are able to make the choice whether they want to go into a bar that allows smoking. They don't need tyrannical collectivism to make the choice for them.
    Most of the bars in my town have sold their lots because of this B.S.

    Instead of being social and hanging out at the bar and feeding a business and providing upkeep on jobs, they buy the liqour and stay at home... because they can smoke.

    But it's peoples' right not to have to deal with cigarette smoke right?... go somewhere else.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Just waiting for those who defend the government forcing people who are smoking a legal substance to only smoke where they say it's okay to smoke it to show up in this thread. Oh wait, you freedom haters are already here.

    Do you smoke?

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