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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I love it when people compare smoking to poor eating habits. It's just so rational and on point. NOT. My eating a hamburger does not impact the health of those sitting near me.

    Supposedly, only 20% of people smoke. So we're supposed to bow down to 20% of people and let them smoke wherever they want? No thank you.
    No one is suggesting this.

    People are suggesting on or in there private property they can smoke like a chimney and the government should have no involvement.

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post

    No. the most recent one I can find was published in 1993. I have not seen any study more recent.

    Now check to see what studies your info uses.
    The one in the OP is MUCH newer than that.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So now smoking a cigarette outside is tyranny?
    If people smoke in a park where children are playing, yes that is tyranny.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No one is suggesting this.

    People are suggesting on or in there private property they can smoke like a chimney and the government should have no involvement.
    Everytime there is a smoking ban of any sort, smokers complain. Trust me, if they could smoke wherever they wanted, they would smoke everywhere. Come on, Blackdog, don't try to tell me otherwise.

    I am fine if people want to smoke in their car with their windows rolled up or in their house with their windows up. I cannot drive with my windows down because I ALWAYS smell cigarette smoke when I am at a stop light, whether it be because someone is smoking outside or smoking in their car with the windows rolled down.

    I lived next door to a smoker. It never failed that whenever I went to sit out on my patio or do gardening in my backyard, he would be out there on his deck at some point smoking. And I could smell it--not just lightly. It drove me crazy (I celebrated when I heard he was moving out of the neighborhood).

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    1. Growing up, my parents forced second hand smoke on me nearly every day of my childhood.
    OK, I'll give you partial credit for this one. While you weren't in dagner of a heart attack or heart disease as a child, you were submitted to second hand smoke and it was forced on you. Having said this, you were a child with no rights and unless you still live at home, you would only be submitted to their second hand smoke if you visit them (assuming they are still alive).

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    2. I worked for a company a few years ago that required its employees to attend a monthly working lunch. While smoking was prohibited in the workplace, it wasn't (at that time) prohibited in the restaurant. My boss (despite the fact that NO ONE else lighted up), choose to smoke, blowing his smoke everyone in the room when we were having our working lunch.
    A few years ago...enough said.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    3. Many times, I have been in a public place, minding my own business, when a smoker would come, sit next to me and light up. He was forcing his poison on me.
    But you weren't forced into this situation, it is one that arose. Were you tied to the chair you were sitting in? Did someone hold a gun to your head and tell you to not move? Sorry, but this one doesn't count either.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    4. Once when I was a grad students at the University of Georgia, I was working on an essay in the computer lab when a girl (fat and ugly) sat next to me REEKING of cigarette smoke. It was absolutely disgusting.
    So her smell was forced upon you, but not her second hand smoke? Ahh, I see, it's not just the second hand smoke that bothers you. The true nature of your red herring comes out.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    This is only a FEW instances where smokers showed a lack of respect for the rights of me as a non-smoker. I am so much looking forward to the new laws taking effect here next Sunday. I will report ANY place I see not enforcing the law to the local authorities.
    None of the instances you listed still exist today. Your stories started out with "Growing up...", "a few years ago..." and "Once..." - what a sham. You can be the smoking hall monitor if you so desire, but I find it truly pathetic. No one is forcing second hand smoke on you today. You have the right to not enter a place of business or a residence if smoking is taking place if it offends you so much. No one is taking that right away from you.
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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Does smoking outside really have adverse health effects on other people? Obviously second hand smoke can be harmful, but wouldn't that be in the instance of extended exposure, such as living with a smoker? I seriously doubt that smoking a cigarette in the park actually harms anybody but the smoker. With all the crap spewed into the air by factories and cars it doesn't seem possible that cigarettes would have enough of an impact to make a difference.

    Does anybody have any info on casual exposure to second hand smoke?

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Does smoking outside really have adverse health effects on other people? Obviously second hand smoke can be harmful, but wouldn't that be in the instance of extended exposure, such as living with a smoker? I seriously doubt that smoking a cigarette in the park actually harms anybody but the smoker. With all the crap spewed into the air by factories and cars it doesn't seem possible that cigarettes would have enough of an impact to make a difference.

    Does anybody have any info on casual exposure to second hand smoke?
    For the record, I no longer smoke since I quit several years ago.

    I don't like the smell of smoke, and it irritates me a little when I end up smelling it. However, I think people like aps and ludahai are just control freaks who use these minor irritations as excuses to regulate behavior that is not truly harming them in any significant way.

    There was a time when smokers were harming the people around them, and that behavior needed to be regulated out of society through law and social pressure. It was indeed profoundly unfair, especially in work-places. I am not one who buys into the notion that people can 'just work anywhere'. There are times when jobs are plentiful and people don't have to stay with an employer, sure, but that is not always. Mothers need to feed their children, Loners need to feed themselves. They shouldn't have to endure other peoples smoke in the effort to do this.

    Everything is a poison in large enough amounts, while in small enough amounts most things are benign. Oxygen is a poison that is slowly killing us, but by the same token of course we would live alot shorter lives without it. Aps will pounce on this and say that people don't need tobacco to live, and think that she's scored a point, when really she's missed it.

    I am simply pointing out that in small enough amounts, tobacco smoke is merely an irritation, not a poison. Some people believe that irritations need to be regulated out of existence, particularly with regard to tobacco. As I've indicated elsewhere, I think these people are neurotic control freaks, and just as with any control freak behavior, they use real but minor points as an excuse to give justification for their endeavor twoard control.

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    For the record, I no longer smoke since I quit several years ago.

    I don't like the smell of smoke, and it irritates me a little when I end up smelling it. However, I think people like aps and ludahai are just control freaks who use these minor irritations as excuses to regulate behavior that is not truly harming them in any significant way.

    There was a time when smokers were harming the people around them, and that behavior needed to be regulated out of society through law and social pressure. It was indeed profoundly unfair, especially in work-places. I am not one who buys into the notion that people can 'just work anywhere'. There are times when jobs are plentiful and people don't have to stay with an employer, sure, but that is not always. Mothers need to feed their children, Loners need to feed themselves. They shouldn't have to endure other peoples smoke in the effort to do this.

    Everything is a poison in large enough amounts, while in small enough amounts most things are benign. Oxygen is a poison that is slowly killing us, but by the same token of course we would live alot shorter lives without it. Aps will pounce on this and say that people don't need tobacco to live, and think that she's scored a point, when really she's missed it.

    I am simply pointing out that in small enough amounts, tobacco smoke is merely an irritation, not a poison. Some people believe that irritations need to be regulated out of existence, particularly with regard to tobacco. As I've indicated elsewhere, I think these people are neurotic control freaks, and just as with any control freak behavior, they use real but minor points as an excuse to give justification for their endeavor twoard control.
    I'm not a control freak. I just hate smoking and smokers.

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The one in the OP is MUCH newer than that.
    It was not a study specificly on second hand smoke or it's affects...

    "But the study had limitations: It assumed declines in the amount of secondhand smoke in Pueblo buildings after the ban, but did not try to measure that. The researchers also did not sort out which heart attack patients were smokers and which were not, so it's unclear how much of the decline can be attributed to reduced secondhand smoke.

    One academic argued there's not enough evidence to conclude the smoking ban was the cause of Pueblo's heart attack decline.

    The decline could have had more to do with a general decline in smoking in Pueblo County, from about 26 percent in 2002-2003 to less than 21 percent in 2004-2005. If there were stepped-up efforts to treat or prevent heart disease in the Pueblo area, that too could have played a role, said Dr. Michael Siegel, a professor of social and behavioral sciences at the Boston University School of Public Health.

    "I don't think it's as clear as they're making it out to be," Siegel said.
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    It was from 6 years ago and is still using the exaggerations of earlier studies. Or as I call it, a lie.

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    Re: Smoking ban leads to major drop in heart attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Everytime there is a smoking ban of any sort, smokers complain. Trust me, if they could smoke wherever they wanted, they would smoke everywhere. Come on, Blackdog, don't try to tell me otherwise.
    So you believe in punishing everyone for someone else's actions? Because you feel inconvenienced?

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I am fine if people want to smoke in their car with their windows rolled up or in their house with their windows up. I cannot drive with my windows down because I ALWAYS smell cigarette smoke when I am at a stop light, whether it be because someone is smoking outside or smoking in their car with the windows rolled down.
    You have got to be kidding.

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I lived next door to a smoker. It never failed that whenever I went to sit out on my patio or do gardening in my backyard, he would be out there on his deck at some point smoking. And I could smell it--not just lightly. It drove me crazy (I celebrated when I heard he was moving out of the neighborhood).
    Then you have issues.

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