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    Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

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    Well, they couldn't cancel Christmas. Now, they are trying to take "so help me God" out of the inagural. Did the athiests ever stop to think that the President himself might actually WANT to say those words because he is a believer?!?!?

    The athiests never quit, do they. They will stop at nothing to force their Godless beliefs on everyone else. If you don't believe, that is your right. However, most Americans DO as does the President.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    it is the same douchebag who sued of his daughter saying the pledge of allegiance when he had no parental standing, what was it Newdall or something
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Every single president in the past has said it and the only one harmed was Harrison. And Experts blame it on his long speech.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    article here

    Well, they couldn't cancel Christmas. Now, they are trying to take "so help me God" out of the inagural. Did the athiests ever stop to think that the President himself might actually WANT to say those words because he is a believer?!?!?

    The athiests never quit, do they. They will stop at nothing to force their Godless beliefs on everyone else. If you don't believe, that is your right. However, most Americans DO as does the President.
    I wonder where Ludahai's outrage is over every piece of religious buffoonery Christians, Muslims and Jews come up with that waste not only the time of atheists but also tax payer money.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I wonder where Ludahai's outrage is over every piece of religious buffoonery Christians, Muslims and Jews come up with that waste not only the time of atheists but also tax payer money.
    Ok, "So help me God", is...how can say this? harmless. There is no point in removing it unless you just have a beef with the word "God", period. 44 other people are just fine with "so help me God", why aren't you?

    oooh, I said "God" oh my goodness! Sue me!

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Ok, "So help me God", is...how can say this? harmless. There is no point in removing it unless you just have a beef with the word "God", period. 44 other people are just fine with "so help me God", why aren't you?

    oooh, I said "God" oh my goodness! Sue me!
    I believe the crux of this issue is constitutionality, so "harm" or "a beef" would both be equally irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Every single president in the past has said it and the only one harmed was Harrison. And Experts blame it on his long speech.
    Are you sure about that? George Washington: First Inaugural Address. U.S. Inaugural Addresses. 1989

    Also, not every president believed in a personal god, some were deists.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Not only should the phrase be taken out but the President shouldn't swear on the bible. They should swear on the Constitution, and by doing so the citizens of this country.

    The President is elected to protect and uphold the political values, stability, and strength of this country as best they can while in the best interest of the people, not god.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Well, they couldn't cancel Christmas. Now, they are trying to take "so help me God" out of the inagural.
    They? Who are they? Are you suggesting that all atheists are out to "cancel Christmas" or are letigious about their respect for secularism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Did the athiests ever stop to think that the President himself might actually WANT to say those words because he is a believer?!?!?
    Correction: Not "the atheists" an atheist. Also, if this is a matter of separation of church and state what Obama wants is irrelevant.

    "Want" is no justification for violations of the first amendment (Not that I'm suggesting that an oath can constitute one.)

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The athiests never quit, do they. They will stop at nothing to force their Godless beliefs on everyone else. If you don't believe, that is your right. However, most Americans DO as does the President.
    Secularism isn't about "forcing godless beliefs on everyone" but respecting every religion by not playing favorites. Its about indifference, not skepticism. You see not everyone believes in your god, perhaps you might learn to understand why such an oath can be less meaningful than an oath to something they DO believe in...

    Also, what most people "believe" is irrelevant to the point of the 1st amendment.

    And whats wrong with a "godless belief" anyway? The usage of that term with such contempt is quite sanctimonious and arrogant. You're an atheist in respect to Zeus, whats wrong with that godless belief?
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    All of that being said, I don't think an oath can reflect "congress respecting AN establishment of religion." Nor do I believe the term is "necessary" given that other Presidents did not say it, someone in the know please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

    The term "god" or "creator" does not pertain to any particular establishment.

    Also, I think the point of the term is simply because if you believe in a god, and your belief is sacred, it is no different that swearing on the life of a loved one... or as another suggested, swearing on the constitution itself; Which I REALLY like.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    They should swear on the Constitution, and by doing so the citizens of this country.
    That would be something I would like to see for once. God doesn't run this country.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I wonder where Ludahai's outrage is over every piece of religious buffoonery Christians, Muslims and Jews come up with that waste not only the time of atheists but also tax payer money.
    Surely the former is worth the latter?
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