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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Your definition was the same.

    1: something established: as a: a settled arrangement ; especially : a code of laws b: established church c: a permanent civil or military organization d: a place of business or residence with its furnishings and staff e: a public or private institution

    It says establishment, in religious as your dictionary shows this means a state church. You are disingenuous because you ignore this.
    I don't have time to reiterate the distinction between definitions and examples. If you can't tell a number from a letter, I'm done trying to educate you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Why do you have to be untruthful? Does it make you feel smart?
    What have I "lied" about? You're refuting the ****ing structure of definitions now. I explain what webster mean by "date" or "1" or "a." and you call this explanation a lie because you don't understand definitions, either that or you need me to be wrong in order for your tripe to make what little sense you have.

    But yes, citing what "date" means in a definition does make me feel smarter than you, when you deny it. However, if I know it to be true, or even if I were wrong and believed it to be true, that wouldn't be a LIE.

    STOP USING WORDS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, consult a 1st grade english teacher IMMEDIATELY.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I don't have time to reiterate the distinction between definitions and examples. If you can't tell a number from a letter, I'm done trying to educate you.
    Your ignore the fact both our definitions had a letter next to them. This is disingenuous.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Your ignore the fact both our definitions had a letter next to them. This is disingenuous.
    I never said a private institution was the definition of "establishment" I cited it AS AN EXAMPLE, to prove that there are establishments that are NOT established churches; which debunks your claim that "Establishment means an established church"

    Again you fail to see the distinction between examples and definitions. And you have yet to admit that there are establishments that are not established churches, and then made the BASELESS assertion that "Establishment means an established church in religious terms." Source for that claim?
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I never said a private institution was the definition of "establishment" I cited it AS AN EXAMPLE, to prove that there are establishments that are NOT established churches.

    Again you fail to see the distinction between examples and definitions.
    Wtf? All you are doing is shifting the argument to one of examples rather than definitions. A religious establishment is still an established church in formal English and as shown it certainly was in the 18th century. So I'm really not sure what your disingenuousness gets you.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Wtf? All you are doing is shifting the argument to one of examples rather than definitions.
    It is no "shift" to point out that what you are claiming is a definition is in fact an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    A religious establishment is still an established church in formal English and as shown it certainly was in the 18th century. So I'm really not sure what your disingenuousness gets you.
    The church on my block, a religious establishment, is a "established church" (a church recognized by law as the official church of a nation or state and supported by civil authority)?

    Please cite your source for the rules of formal English that makes this statement so.

    EDIT: Anyways, I shoulda went to bed a long time ago. Thanks for the waste of time... do write the Webster people and let them know that they're wrong about definitions.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    The church on my block, a religious establishment, is a "established church" (a church recognized by law as the official church of a nation or state and supported by civil authority)?

    You are incorrect. Learn English mate.

    And you have yet to admit that there are establishments that are not established churches, and then made the BASELESS assertion that "Establishment means an established church in religious terms." Source for that claim?
    Establishment and Disestablishment at the Founding, Part I: Establishment of Religion

    That's it despite your lies and twisting(Its an example, no a definition, no a Zebra ) I've amply proved my case. I'm done.

    Another Jacobin vanquished.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You are incorrect. Learn English mate.
    Please, write the people @ Webster and let them know that you know better. And post their response for me!

    The rules for definitions are not "my lies." Its one thing to say that I am wrong about them, its another to claim that I truly believe differently, but lie that these are the rules. Especially when you can LOOK THEM UP.

    I'll add "lie" to my list of words I know you don't understand. Its not a lie if I believe it.

    You have a lot to learn about citing a valid source for your claims. By all means, give us more "free preview" articles from universities who's law review ranking is #19.

    Its interesting to note that your claim contradicts the very statements made by the FOUNDER of said Law School; Thomas Jefferson.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    That's it despite your lies and twisting(Its an example, no a definition no a Zebra ) I've amply proved my case. I'm done.
    Yes, denying the very structure of definitions and utterly ignoring your foolish blunders is certainly a "proved case" in my book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Its interesting to note that your claim contradicts the very statements made by the FOUNDER of said Law School; Thomas Jefferson.
    You mean the Founder who was out of the country.
    Yes, denying the very structure of definitions and utterly ignoring your foolish blunders is certainly a "proved case" in my book.
    Glad you agree.

    Another Jacobin vanquished.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    *Looks at screen.

    After much researching, it turns out that, saying "so help me God" is, well, not a requirement in the slightest.

    So, if someone doesn't say it on inaugeration, I'm not offended. It doesn't matter.

    What I have also come to the conclusion to is that it is also not unconstitutional either. Being the president, he should seek help wherever he can get it and ruling it unconstitutional would infringe on the president's right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

    So, I don't mind if the president says "So help me God". What does offend me, is this atheist in the news that wants to make it unconstitutional.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    *Looks at screen.

    After much researching, it turns out that, saying "so help me God" is, well, not a requirement in the slightest.

    So, if someone doesn't say it on inaugeration, I'm not offended. It doesn't matter.

    What I have also come to the conclusion to is that it is also not unconstitutional either. Being the president, he should seek help wherever he can get it and ruling it unconstitutional would infringe on the president's right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

    So, I don't mind if the president says "So help me God". What does offend me, is this atheist in the news that wants to make it unconstitutional.
    You know what, I'll agree with this.

    The President can say whatever he wants. If he wants to ask God, the FSM, of his 3rd grade math teacher for help that is his prerogative.

    Personally though I would prefer a more ritualistic and symbolic statement focusing on the Presidents dedication to the citizens he is meant to serve.
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