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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    "Want" is no justification for violations of the first amendment (Not that I'm suggesting that an oath can constitute one.)
    The first amendment says establish which in all normal usage in this context means set up a state church like the the CoE, it doesn't mean removing all references to Xtianity from the state. Only whinging athiests and judical activists try and twist it to mean anything like that.

    Secularism isn't about "forcing godless beliefs on everyone" but respecting every religion by not playing favorites. Its about indifference, not skepticism.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    article here

    Well, they couldn't cancel Christmas. Now, they are trying to take "so help me God" out of the inagural. Did the athiests ever stop to think that the President himself might actually WANT to say those words because he is a believer?!?!?

    The athiests never quit, do they. They will stop at nothing to force their Godless beliefs on everyone else. If you don't believe, that is your right. However, most Americans DO as does the President.
    It's time for those people to shut the **** up.

    They don't have to like it but they do not have the right to make the world free of it.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I believe the crux of this issue is constitutionality, so "harm" or "a beef" would both be equally irrelevant.
    lol, I'm DYING to hear how swearing that would be unconstitutional!

    His inaugural address...what?
    Also, not every president believed in a personal god, some were deists.
    That only matters in the minds of....no one...except you.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    That only matters in the minds of....no one...except you.
    So what good does swearing on the bible do if the President doesn't believe in the bible?
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    The first amendment says establish which in all normal usage in this context means set up a state church like the the CoE, it doesn't mean removing all references to Xtianity from the state. Only whinging athiests and judical activists try and twist it to mean anything like that.
    I would have actually debated the first part with you rationally with constitutional law, if it weren't for your blatant and rude ad-hominem.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    The first amendment says establish which in all normal usage in this context means set up a state church like the the CoE, it doesn't mean removing all references to Xtianity from the state. Only whinging athiests and judical activists try and twist it to mean anything like that.
    God is not the backbone of America, the Constitution is. The fact you are quoting the constitution says just that.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    It's time for those people to shut the **** up.

    They don't have to like it but they do not have the right to make the world free of it.
    Actually citizens of this country DO have the right to make their state secular, and PATRIOTS of this country defend their constitution, and their right to not shut the **** up.

    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    lol, I'm DYING to hear how swearing that would be unconstitutional!
    I didn't say that it was, in fact I quite clearly stated "Not that I'm suggesting that an oath can constitute one" and "I don't think an oath can reflect "congress respecting AN establishment of religion" in post #8

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    His inaugural address...what?

    That only matters in the minds of....no one...except you.
    Wow, what a compelling counter argument you present on this debate forum... Its clear you also are not interested in a rational debate.

    I'm glad you have such high regards for the beliefs of your deist founding fathers. I thought the beliefs of the person making the oath was YOUR point...
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    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I would have actually debated the first part with you rationally with constitutional law, if it weren't for your blatant and rude ad-hominem.
    I would have debated with you if you hadn't used the term ad-hominem. This is a politics board, we are discussing society and men not natural sciences, that certainly means people can and sometimes should be attacked at times.

    You athiests do love to whinge don't you.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That would be something I would like to see for once. God doesn't run this country.

    True but it is hard to tell what Liberals hate more-God or the Constitution



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