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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think it should be up to the president whether he says "so help me God" or not. After all, it is him and only him who is emboldened or harmed by the phrase since it is a personal pledge.
    So long as the justice prompting his oath doesn't say it, as if it were mandatory, I am in complete agreement with you.

    The point of secularists isn't to hide the fact that he is religious, but to not force him to be if he weren't.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    This is pretty much a non-issue. It's not a violation of the 1st amendment or separation of church and state. Though I do like the idea of the President swearing on the Constitution instead of the Bible (I wonder how many politicians actually believe in a god? I know many claim a form of Christianity, but they don't seem to act it).

    Also, the broad over sweeping statements against the atheist community; such as blaming the whole for the actions of this dude, is inaccurate.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    As if "so help me god" was a guarantee of upholding the Constitution. I think it should be optional for the President.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    So long as the justice prompting his oath doesn't say it, as if it were mandatory, I am in complete agreement with you.

    The point of secularists isn't to hide the fact that he is religious, but to not force him to be if he weren't.
    Actually, the interview I saw with the guy pressing the suit sounded more like he thought that if the president says "so help me God", that atheists are somehow marginalized.

    **** that retard. As long as he isn't being forced to say it he should just STFU.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    How about forcing "Intelligent Design" into Science Classrooms?
    So far as I know, Catholics have had nothing to do with that. I think it is the same Fundies that give ME concern as well.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I do find it rather ironic that you say atheists are forcing their Godless belief on everyone, yet are defending forcing God beliefs on others. So it's okay to make people say "So help me God" but it's wrong to not make people say it? I say let a person make up their own mind and say what they want.
    Is anyone actually MAKING anyone say it against their will?
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    article here

    Well, they couldn't cancel Christmas. Now, they are trying to take "so help me God" out of the inagural. Did the athiests ever stop to think that the President himself might actually WANT to say those words because he is a believer?!?!?

    The athiests never quit, do they. They will stop at nothing to force their Godless beliefs on everyone else. If you don't believe, that is your right. However, most Americans DO as does the President.
    "The phrase is to be replaced with ,So help me moHAMed".We ain`t just dealin with aitheists anymore folks.This dud is born and raised muslim...the pres elect,not the ahole who filed the the etitlement law suit(well perhaps we are dealing with the same in the plaintif,ie. kind,loveing,hate America,christian hateing,freedom loveing muslim)."All Christians and jews are also being asked to refrain from attending the inaugural cerimonies,and life itself on the planet.Thank You".
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    "The phrase is to be replaced with ,So help me moHAMed".We ain`t just dealin with aitheists anymore folks.This dud is born and raised muslim...the pres elect,not the ahole who filed the the etitlement law suit(well perhaps we are dealing with the same in the plaintif,ie. kind,loveing,hate America,christian hateing,freedom loveing muslim)."All Christians and jews are also being asked to refrain from attending the inaugural cerimonies,and life itself on the planet.Thank You".
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    "The phrase is to be replaced with ,So help me moHAMed".We ain`t just dealin with aitheists anymore folks.This dud is born and raised muslim...the pres elect,not the ahole who filed the the etitlement law suit(well perhaps we are dealing with the same in the plaintif,ie. kind,loveing,hate America,christian hateing,freedom loveing muslim)."All Christians and jews are also being asked to refrain from attending the inaugural cerimonies,and life itself on the planet.Thank You".
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    article here

    Well, they couldn't cancel Christmas. Now, they are trying to take "so help me God" out of the inagural. Did the athiests ever stop to think that the President himself might actually WANT to say those words because he is a believer?!?!?

    The athiests never quit, do they. They will stop at nothing to force their Godless beliefs on everyone else. If you don't believe, that is your right. However, most Americans DO as does the President.
    The headline of the article is misleading. There is no 'so help me God' in the inauguration. It doesn't exist, officially. Many of the Presidents being sworn in have added that phrase at the end of the proper affirmation the President must repeat. But, legally, it doesn't exist:

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    That's it. There's no swearing to God involved. God is not important in this ceremony, per the Constitution anyway.

    If the President elect wants to add this in and make some kind of personal statement, though, that's his choice to make, imo. But I could do without the preachers. This is a civil matter.

    (Somebody may have already said this-I didn't read the whole thread)

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