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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    I don't so much care how it's said, just that it's said. It is the President giving his word, under whatever wording suits his belief system, that he is going to do his best to help the country. I mean, I'm not religious so I would prefer him to be swearing on the Constitution, but giving his word for all to see and hear is good enough for me.

    Though, as we've learned many times in history, the word of a leader doesn't mean much.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    article here

    Well, they couldn't cancel Christmas. Now, they are trying to take "so help me God" out of the inagural. Did the athiests ever stop to think that the President himself might actually WANT to say those words because he is a believer?!?!?

    The athiests never quit, do they. They will stop at nothing to force their Godless beliefs on everyone else. If you don't believe, that is your right. However, most Americans DO as does the President.
    I don't believe in god. I don't think I should have to say "under god" when I pledge allegiance to this country. The words were not in there in the first place.

    As for this issue, since our president elect believes in god, it's a non-issue. Nevertheless, why would we have to swear to god for anything? THAT doesn't make sense to me. Take them out. Somehow, we can't be presumed to know what to do unless we swear to god. That is pathetic!

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I don't so much care how it's said, just that it's said. It is the President giving his word, under whatever wording suits his belief system, that he is going to do his best to help the country. I mean, I'm not religious so I would prefer him to be swearing on the Constitution, but giving his word for all to see and hear is good enough for me.

    Though, as we've learned many times in history, the word of a leader doesn't mean much.
    Do you care what he swears to? I mean if the President held up the latest addition of Highlights and swore on that it would be ok? The bible might as well be that if a non-Christian is swearing on the bible.

    Just giving a hypothetical scenario. I know Obama is Christian.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    I agree with you. I also think the same thing of the court system, and swearing on the Bible before taking the stand. If you don't believe in God, or don't believe in the Christian God, then your oath is basically meaningless in my eyes.

    I believe the Atheist interest groups are overreacting, but their extremism exists because the opposite extreme in the religious right also exists. Whenever one extreme arises in society, something else will try to counter balance it. On the whole if people were more accepting of each other's beliefs, there wouldn't be so many backlashes happening.

    It seems like the moderates are always the ones stuck between a rock and a hard place.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I wonder where Ludahai's outrage is over every piece of religious buffoonery Christians, Muslims and Jews come up with that waste not only the time of atheists but also tax payer money.
    Care to cite examples? If suitable, I will criticize. However, I am fine with nativity scenes on public land, just as I am ok with Kwanzaa and Hanukka displays.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    They? Who are they? Are you suggesting that all atheists are out to "cancel Christmas" or are letigious about their respect for secularism?
    I was making the comment "tongue in cheek"

    Correction: Not "the atheists" an atheist. Also, if this is a matter of separation of church and state what Obama wants is irrelevant.
    What "law" is Congress making when the President says "God" in the inaguration?

    "Want" is no justification for violations of the first amendment (Not that I'm suggesting that an oath can constitute one.)
    RIght, there is NO violation of the first amendment here.

    Secularism isn't about "forcing godless beliefs on everyone" but respecting every religion by not playing favorites. Its about indifference, not skepticism. You see not everyone believes in your god, perhaps you might learn to understand why such an oath can be less meaningful than an oath to something they DO believe in...
    What is wrong with saying "God?" What are athiests so afraid of?

    Also, what most people "believe" is irrelevant to the point of the 1st amendment.
    What rights are being violated if the President says "God?"

    And whats wrong with a "godless belief" anyway? The usage of that term with such contempt is quite sanctimonious and arrogant. You're an atheist in respect to Zeus, whats wrong with that godless belief?
    If you don't believe in any god, which athiests profess to believe, you are by definition "Godless."
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I was making the comment "tongue in cheek"

    What "law" is Congress making when the President says "God" in the inaguration?

    RIght, there is NO violation of the first amendment here.

    What is wrong with saying "God?" What are athiests so afraid of?

    What rights are being violated if the President says "God?"
    Your questions show that you have not read my opinion on the topic, please see the bottom of post #8 on page one. I clearly said that this is no violation of Church and State, but "saying god" in many other places in our government is very unconstitutional.

    It isn't that secularists are afraid, its that they regard such violations as illegal.

    And whats wrong with a "godless belief" anyway? The usage of that term with such contempt is quite sanctimonious and arrogant. You're an atheist in respect to Zeus, whats wrong with that godless belief?
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    If you don't believe in any god, which athiests profess to believe, you are by definition "Godless."
    So? I know this, why didn't you answer the question?
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Care to cite examples? If suitable, I will criticize. However, I am fine with nativity scenes on public land, just as I am ok with Kwanzaa and Hanukka displays.
    How about forcing "Intelligent Design" into Science Classrooms?
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    I think it should be up to the president whether he says "so help me God" or not. After all, it is him and only him who is emboldened or harmed by the phrase since it is a personal pledge.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks to take 'so help me God' out of inaugural

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The athiests never quit, do they. They will stop at nothing to force their Godless beliefs on everyone else. If you don't believe, that is your right. However, most Americans DO as does the President.

    I do find it rather ironic that you say atheists are forcing their Godless belief on everyone, yet are defending forcing God beliefs on others. So it's okay to make people say "So help me God" but it's wrong to not make people say it? I say let a person make up their own mind and say what they want.
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