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2009 starting off with a bang: IDF kills top Hamas terror sheikh Rayyan

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an 2, 2009 1:15 | Updated Jan 2, 2009 1:59 IDF kills top Hamas terror sheikh Rayyan

Israel stepped up the pressure on Hamas on Thursday and dropped a one-ton bomb on the home of one of the group's top five leaders, Sheikh Nizar Rayyan, killing him and a reported 18 others as the IDF made final preparations for a ground operation expected in the coming days.
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Rayyan was both the director and the financier of the 2004 terror attack at the Ashdod port, which killed 10 Israelis, and in October 2001 he sent his son to perpetrate a suicide attack in the Gush Katif settlement Elei Sinai, where two Israelis were killed. [emphasis added]
Well, 2009 is starting off with a bang!

It amazes and disgusts me that these savage leaders are willing to send their progeny to explode, but are reluctant to explode themselves.
 
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I'm crossing my fingers for the death of more Hamas leaders and the death of the Zionists currently running the country of Israel. We need both gone if there is ever to be peace.
 
I'm crossing my fingers for the death of more Hamas leaders and the death of the Zionists currently running the country of Israel. We need both gone if there is ever to be peace.
Ah, a brilliant plan for Chaos.

Have you ever considered just picking a side?
 
Ah, a brilliant plan for Chaos.

Have you ever considered just picking a side?

If he did he'd be one more idiot who isn't helping.
 
Cause I like to watch things die...from a distance

God is his judge now. I have to remark, though, that's 1 Hamas Official in 250+ dead.
 
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So, what you're saying, is that encouraging both sides in a conflict is helpful.

Yes and No. The solution to the Middle East problem will come from moderates willing to negotiate down to the last grain of sand. Not those who 'pick a side' and stick to it. Israel has already shown itself to be willing to negotiate. It's the turn of the Palestinians and has been for a while now. All Israel can do is defend herself and wait.

The mind boggles.

You're talking like this is a new thing for you.
 
Yes and No. The solution to the Middle East problem will come from moderates willing to negotiate down to the last grain of sand. Not those who 'pick a side' and stick to it. Israel has already shown itself to be willing to negotiate. It's the turn of the Palestinians and has been for a while now. All Israel can do is defend herself and wait.
Please provide as single example of a Moderate (by reasonable Western Standards) Muhammadan Leader in Palestine with significant political power, i.e. the power and authority to negotiate.
 
Well, 2009 is starting off with a bang!

It amazes and disgusts me that these savage leaders are willing to send their progeny to explode, but are reluctant to explode themselves.

I believe the term you're looking for is COWARD!
 
It's one thing to talk about the political ramifications of the death of someone, it's another to celebrate the killing of another human being. I find this thread distasteful.
 
It's one thing to talk about the political ramifications of the death of someone, it's another to celebrate the killing of another human being. I find this thread distasteful.

It isn't a "human" being. It is an inhuman terrorist who wants to destroy the State of Israel. :mrgreen:
 
All Israel can do is defend herself and wait.

Bull. Justice delayed is justice denied. Israel is under no obligation to wait.
 
It's one thing to talk about the political ramifications of the death of someone, it's another to celebrate the killing of another human being. I find this thread distasteful.
So you won't be attending the party where we dance on his grave? I've been practicing my Tango!


Seriously though, this is what Humans do, didn't you know?
 
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Cause I like to watch things die...from a distance

God is his judge now. I have to remark, though, that's 1 Hamas Official in 250+ dead.

Only because the cowards hide among the civilian population rather than coming out to fight like men. But you can't expect much from a pig so their people suffer.
 
So you won't be attending the party where we dance on his grave? I've been practicing my Tango!


Seriously though, this is what Humans do, didn't you know?

So this is what happens when you "pick a side"...
 
Only because the cowards hide among the civilian population rather than coming out to fight like men. But you can't expect much from a pig so their people suffer.

Does the civilian population support what Hamas is doing?
 
So this is what happens when you "pick a side"...
It is part of the package, yes.

Perhaps another time I would state it with more elegance, but frankly, I just don't have the patience any more.

Being free, and trying to support some modicum of justice in the world means getting your hands dirty, and occasionally bloody. I don't like it. I'd rather it were different. But the fact is that this is how it is done, and I have no more tolerance for people who believe that sublime thought will deter committed evil.

So yes, while I don't celebrate the death of an individual as a person, I certainly celebrate their death of some as a force.


Stated with minimal elegance, I could mourn their lost potential and regret their decision to embrace murder for personal aggrandizement, but I will support their extermination in preference to the more or less innocent.

Sadly, this can be part of what it means to pick a side. And if you do not, then you simply shift the burden of your part in the fight to others. You cannot however shift your responsibility.
 
It is part of the package, yes.

Perhaps another time I would state it with more elegance, but frankly, I just don't have the patience any more.

Being free, and trying to support some modicum of justice in the world means getting your hands dirty, and occasionally bloody. I don't like it. I'd rather it were different. But the fact is that this is how it is done, and I have no more tolerance for people who believe that sublime thought will deter committed evil.

So yes, while I don't celebrate the death of an individual as a person, I certainly celebrate their death of some as a force.


Stated with minimal elegance, I could mourn their lost potential and regret their decision to embrace murder for personal aggrandizement, but I will support their extermination in preference to the more or less innocent.

Sadly, this can be part of what it means to pick a side. And if you do not, then you simply shift the burden of your part in the fight to others. You cannot however shift your responsibility.

We're on a debate forum and freedom is precisely the reason you shouldn't "pick a side". By limiting your view to one side you're wasting your freedom and becoming a part of the problem.
 
We're on a debate forum and freedom is precisely the reason you shouldn't "pick a side". By limiting your view to one side you're wasting your freedom and becoming a part of the problem.
Astounding.

How, prithee, dost one debate, yet picketh not a side?

One who taketh not a cause, is a spectator, or serf, awaiting the time they they becometh a victim.
 
Astounding.

How, prithee, dost one debate, yet picketh not a side?

One who taketh not a cause, is a spectator, or serf, awaiting the time they they becometh a victim.

I spoke of "picking a side" in the context that you described it. Choosing a faction and then siding with it in every aspect of the situation. Perhaps your "choosing a side" works for you because you can only see the debate as Israel vs Palestine?
 
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