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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    You sure about that?
    Iran and Hezbollah's popularity within the Muslim world is intense, it will only grow as Israel continues its bombardment of Gaza

    Israels progress:
    400 dead Palestinians
    1 senior Hamas commander killed ...
    I disagree: they've killed several important members and most of the other casualties were Hamas militants. There are 25% of civilians killed and it's dramatic, but 75% of the casualties were not innocents.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    I haven't read of other top level Hamas members being killed save that Commander.

    Israel tried this tactic twice in Lebanon, the same will happen in Gaza

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I haven't read of other top level Hamas members being killed save that Commander.

    Israel tried this tactic twice in Lebanon, the same will happen in Gaza
    Laila I think your wrong. The same will not happen in Gaza because Israel has learned a lesson from the 2006 war against hezbollah. They will not stop the attacks untill Hamas is defeated or until the katyusha rockets stop falling on Israel.
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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Laila I think your wrong. The same will not happen in Gaza because Israel has learned a lesson from the 2006 war against hezbollah. They will not stop the attacks untill Hamas is defeated or until the katyusha rockets stop falling on Israel.
    The same cycle always occurs with Israel.
    Israel will be determined to finish this through perhaps even send in a ground invasion but then it'll bow to international pressure to ease off and it'll leave the job half done.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    When you weight the pros (ineffective protection against rocket smuggling) and the cons (huge negative consequences on Palestinians, with the result that they support Hamas) it is obvious that the cons (see examples here http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057866218 ) win.

    It's as if you had an antivirus on your computer that
    - is not effective
    - attracts more viruses
    - slows down your computer a lot
    They were just effective in killing a Hamas commander. They need time to destroy as much of the Hamas infrastructure as possible and not let the international community pressure them to stop early this time like they did with Hizbollah.
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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    You are right, there is a difference. But you still advocate their deportation, don't you?
    And that is where Sgt and I part ways. I have no problem with a Palestinian state (or two) based in Gaza and the West Bank, BUT Israel has to be able to live in peace within their pre-1967 borders.
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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    So you think that Jews have the right to occupy the whole territory of Israel + Palestine, and that the 1947 borders have no validity.

    So, the non-Jewish people who lived there before 1947 should be deported, because they are a threat to Israel.

    A question: what gives them that right? The torah or something like that?
    I think now the 1947 borders are irrelevant. The Arabs rejected them. I advocate a return to the pre-1967 borders, but never a return to the1947 partition borders.
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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

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    That would make disappear their reason of existence. They would not have any reason to attack Israel anymore
    THeir raison d'etre is to completely destroy Israel, not to set up a viable two-state solution. I don't see why you can't understand that.
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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    the problem is that they are using the strong way for years, and the only outcome was intifadas and more extremism.

    If you want peace then you need to make concessions, it's not a mistery
    Israel has been treating them with kid gloves for the last two decades. That has only emboldened the terrorists. Now, the reaction of the international community does nothing but further embolden them. They can carry off their terrorism with impunity, knowing that when Israel responds, the international community will pressure Israel to back down. I am sure Israeli leaders see this. Hopefully they will have the backbone this time to finish the job rather than leave it half done like in Lebanon a couple of years back.
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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I haven't read of other top level Hamas members being killed save that Commander.

    Israel tried this tactic twice in Lebanon, the same will happen in Gaza
    It didn't work last time in Lebanon because they cut the attack short due to international pressure. Then, the international community did NOTHING about the problem, leaving it to build in the north. That is something Israel will regret.
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