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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    The blockade does not work. If it did, then the IDF would not be bombing Gaza.

    The rest of the answer is in this post. http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057866218

    Giving terrorists what the want is not the answer either. Doing so would prove to them that terrorism works.

    This cannot be allowed.

    Hamas must be irradicated.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Giving terrorists what the want is not the answer either
    That would make disappear their reason of existence. They would not have any reason to attack Israel anymore

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Israel has great momentum. They shouldn't stop until every gosh darned Hama's member and every supporter is put out of commission.

    I really wish they would end that thing over there, one way or another.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

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    Israel has great momentum. They shouldn't stop until every gosh darned Hama's member and every supporter is put out of commission.

    I really wish they would end that thing over there, one way or another.
    I agree.

    Doing so would partially neutralize Iran's propaganda machine.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    That would make disappear their reason of existence. They would not have any reason to attack Israel anymore
    It would also teach them that terrorism works. THIS IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    It would also teach them that terrorism works. THIS IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION.
    well I'm sorry to have to make this comparison, but the Jews in 1947 behaved kinda like terrorists too, and they won.

    After the war, the Haganah carried out anti-British operations in Palestine, such as the liberation of interned immigrants from the Atlit camp, the bombing of the country's railroad network, sabotage raids on radar installations and bases of the British Palestine police. It also continued to organize illegal immigration.
    Haganah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Some of the better-known attacks by Irgun were the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 and the Deir Yassin massacre (accomplished together with the Stern Gang) on 9 April 1948. In the West, Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by The New York Times newspaper,[2][3], the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry[4], and prominent world and Jewish figures, such as Winston Churchill[5], Hannah Arendt, Albert Einstein, and many others.
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    Lehi was described as a terrorist organization[4] by the British authorities and United Nations mediator Ralph Bunche.[5] Lehi carried out the Nov 1944 assassination in Cairo of Lord Moyne along with other attacks on the British authorities and Palestinian Arabs. The newly-formed Israeli government banned the organization under an anti-terrorism law passed three days after the Sept 1948 assassination of the UN mediator Folke Bernadotte.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)

    The Deir Yassin massacre refers to the killing of between 107 and 120 Palestinian villagers,[1] the estimate generally accepted by scholars,[2][3] during and possibly after the battle[4][5] at the village of Deir Yassin (also written as Dayr Yasin or Dir Yassin) near Jerusalem in the British Mandate of Palestine by Jewish irregular forces (Irgun and Lehi) between 9 April and 11 April 1948. It occurred while Jewish Yishuv forces fought to break the siege of Jerusalem during the period of civil war that preceded the end of the Mandate.

    Contemporary reports, originating apparently from a commanding officer in Jerusalem of one of the irregular forces involved (the Irgun), Mordechai Ra'anan[6], gave an initial estimate of 254 killed.[7] The size of the figure had a considerable impact on the conflict in creating panic and became a major cause of the 1948 Palestinian exodus.
    Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Balad al-Shaykh massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Al-Khisas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Semiramis Hotel bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Sa'sa' - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Cairo–Haifa train bombings 1948 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    So, yes, terrorism works: the Brits left and Jews got their state.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    When you weight the pros (ineffective protection against rocket smuggling) and the cons (huge negative consequences on Palestinians, with the result that they support Hamas) it is obvious that the cons (see examples here http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057866218 ) win.

    It's as if you had an antivirus on your computer that
    - is not effective
    - attracts more viruses
    - slows down your computer a lot
    only if you buy into the modern day delusion of sanitary wars with no collateral damage
    a fantasy put forth by deluded intellectuals
    of course they exclude Palestine from such standards
    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    That would make disappear their reason of existence. They would not have any reason to attack Israel anymore
    did you really just become a terrorist appeaser?
    I know you used to point out the wrongs on both sides, but i do not recall ever seeing you being an appeaser
    are you from belgium or France

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper "Trouw" published an interview it had with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. This is what he had to say:

    "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism.
    I know we have had this debate before here at DP. And it is clear that Palestine and the so called Palestinian people are a myth concocted by arabs to stop Jews from reclaiming the land that is rightfully theirs.

    Now you have generations of people who believe they are Palestinians. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    no link eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    only if you buy into the modern day delusion of sanitary wars with no collateral damage
    a fantasy put forth by deluded intellectuals
    of course they exclude Palestine from such standards
    we were talking about the blockade, not the raids.

    as for the raids, I could accept collateral damages if the raid had a chance to prevent Hamas from launching rockets. Unfortunately, you know as well as me that it won't be the case, and that Israel may kill 3 or 4,000 Hamas members, new ones will come and bomb Israel again next week.

    did you really just become a terrorist appeaser?
    I know you used to point out the wrongs on both sides, but i do not recall ever seeing you being an appeaser
    are you from belgium or France
    It's rather "pragmatism" or "realism" than "appeasment"

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