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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

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    The UNSC is debating now. Libya is proposing a resolution that puts all of the blame on Israel and only calls for guarantees for Gaza. I wonder what will happen if they are still debating at midnight New York time regarding the five members whose terms end in five hours.

    Now, the Israeli Ambassador is speaking after the Palestinian envoy completed his speech.
    Richard Roth just answered that question on CNN. The five (including the current UNSC president) would leave the room and the five new members would enter. Indonesia would leave while Japan would enter - for example. That would change the dynamics slightly.
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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

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    a ceasefire is temporary, it would be a truce. That would be the first step before negociation with the Hamas. They could negociate the end of the blockade vs. end of rocket launches.
    Yes, because Hamas can be trusted to keep their word.

    Oh, waitaminute...

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

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    I think it would be a big mistake for Israel to agree to a ceasefire until all Hamas in Gaza cease to exist. I suggest they ____ __ ___. fill in the blanks. Even if it takes an extensive protracted ground invasion supported by close air support. Give Hamas what they want, martyrdom. Send them all to hell where they belong!
    Knowing that most of Palestinians in Gaza support the Hamas, and that you want to destroy the Hamas, do you basically advocate a kind of holocaust or what?

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Not completely, but it prevents them from getting more weapons as well as increasingly sophisticated ones. It also reduces the risk of suicide bombers getting across the border.
    The blockade does not work. If it did, then the IDF would not be bombing Gaza.

    The rest of the answer is in this post. http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057866218

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    The blockade does not work. If it did, then the IDF would not be bombing Gaza.

    The rest of the answer is in this post. http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057866218
    I didn't say that it would be COMPLETELY effective, because they do have another border and tunnels have allowed them to get in supplies, including weapons. However, Israel has the right to prevent those who would attack them from getting those weapons with which to attack.
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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I didn't say that it would be COMPLETELY effective, because they do have another border and tunnels have allowed them to get in supplies, including weapons. However, Israel has the right to prevent those who would attack them from getting those weapons with which to attack.
    When you weight the pros (ineffective protection against rocket smuggling) and the cons (huge negative consequences on Palestinians, with the result that they support Hamas) it is obvious that the cons (see examples here http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057866218 ) win.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Knowing that most of Palestinians in Gaza support the Hamas, and that you want to destroy the Hamas, do you basically advocate a kind of holocaust or what?
    Its not a holocaust when you are destrying an enemy that is bent on your destruction. What took place during WWII was a holocaust. Jews were not attempting to destroy Nazi Germany. Surely you can see the difference.
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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Its not a holocaust when you are destrying an enemy that is bent on your destruction. What took place during WWII was a holocaust. Jews were not attempting to destroy Nazi Germany. Surely you can see the difference.
    You are right, there is a difference. But you still advocate their deportation, don't you?

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Yes I do. When Jews began to resettle Israel after the war Arabs began to come to what is now Israel from other countries. Yasar Arafat was in fact born in Cairo Egypt. This is where his family is from. My point is Palestine up untill that point in history never exhisted. There never was a nation of Palestine. The so called Palestinian people where nomads. But many of them like Arafat who is not a Palestinian clamed to be, and for what? To stop the much hated Jews from returning to and settling in their homeland. So you are right, I do believe they should be deported. Every last one of them.
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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Yes I do. When Jews began to resettle Israel after the war Arabs began to come to what is now Israel from other countries. Yasar Arafat was in fact born in Cairo Egypt. This is where his family is from. My point is Palestine up untill that point in history never exhisted. There never was a nation of Palestine. The so called Palestinian people where nomads. But many of them like Arafat who is not a Palestinian clamed to be, and for what? To stop the much hated Jews from returning to and settling in their homeland. So you are right, I do believe they should be deported. Every last one of them.
    So you think that Jews have the right to occupy the whole territory of Israel + Palestine, and that the 1947 borders have no validity.

    So, the non-Jewish people who lived there before 1947 should be deported, because they are a threat to Israel.

    A question: what gives them that right? The torah or something like that?

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