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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    It's not me who says that, it's an Israeli report.
    I suck. Mea culpa.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I've asked this before, and I havent gotten an answer:

    IF the reason for the rocket attacks is the blockade, why isnt Hamas hitting Egypt with rockets?
    Because Egypt lets them build underground tunnels.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

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    I suck. Mea culpa.
    You're excused

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Because Egypt lets them build underground tunnels.
    So did Israel...intentionally or otherwise.

    So why attack Israel because of the blockade?

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Une trêve de 48*heures à Gaza*? - lesoir.be

    "Israel may accept a 48 hours truce to allow Hamas to stop launching rockets.
    If this is not the case, Israel could launch a ground offensive.

    That could be a consequence of European and UN strong diplomatic pressures.
    In the meantime, Arab countries press Egypt to open its border with Gaza.

    As for the Hamas, it said that the end of the blockade would make them stop launching rockets.

    So far, Israel has never succeeded in preventing rockets to be launched, even when it uses the military way, while at least 64 civilians have been killed, according the the UN. Hamas has promised that in case of ground offensive, rockets would be launched every day."

    The article also says that while the first raids have killed many members of the Hamas, they now destroy empty buildings and uselessly endanger the life of civilians.
    This is the stance Israel should continue to take on the issue. Long range reprisals are clearly not significant deterrents to Hamas. It is clear that Hamas is struggling to maintain control or they would not look for a cease fire. They see how effective the Israel was in the West Bank and do not want a repeat in Gaza.

    Many will confuse the air strikes as the cause for the talks of ceasefire when it was in fact the very public plan of a ground invasion that encouraged a ceasefire.

    At this point I would almost rather see a ground invasion than a ceasefire as any government formed under Hamas, even if not hostile to Israel, could not be in the best interest of the people of Gaza.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    So did Israel...intentionally or otherwise.
    So why attack Israel because of the blockade?
    I have a couple guesses.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    This is the stance Israel should continue to take on the issue. Long range reprisals are clearly not significant deterrents to Hamas. It is clear that Hamas is struggling to maintain control or they would not look for a cease fire. They see how effective the Israel was in the West Bank and do not want a repeat in Gaza.

    Many will confuse the air strikes as the cause for the talks of ceasefire when it was in fact the very public plan of a ground invasion that encouraged a ceasefire.

    At this point I would almost rather see a ground invasion than a ceasefire as any government formed under Hamas, even if not hostile to Israel, could not be in the best interest of the people of Gaza.
    These aren't reprisals. Israel is attacking Hamas strongholds and facilities. And why do you conclude that Hamas seeking a ceasefire, after climaing to be victims here, is a function of losing control? Control of what? Hamas is proposing a ceasefire because it's clear that they won a propaganda war. The world's media, Europe, and the UN are all firmly supporting the poor Palestinians whose leaders they elected and terrorists they support.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    These aren't reprisals. Israel is attacking Hamas strongholds and facilities. And why do you conclude that Hamas seeking a ceasefire, after climaing to be victims here, is a function of losing control? Control of what? Hamas is proposing a ceasefire because it's clear that they won a propaganda war. The world's media, Europe, and the UN are all firmly supporting the poor Palestinians whose leaders they elected and terrorists they support.
    Hamas barely maintains the resources necessary to launch their rocket attacks. An Israeli invasion would topple their network. Hamas gains support when Israel attacks its infrastructure from a distance but would lose all support if Gaza was invaded and policed, as was seen in the West Bank.

    I agree they won the propaganda war and Israel would be good to learn from their mistakes. After decades of fighting and the evolution of media, the Israel responses are seen for what they are, reprisals.

    I have to admit my original position that the Israeli attacks would never bring peace may have been mistaken. Though I attribute the possible peace to Hamas' fear of annihilation.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    The Quartet himself asks for a ceasefire
    Bub,

    I have not yet seen the exact text of the Quartet's request. However, if the Quartet has retreated from the three conditions it has previously set forth, I believe Israel should not accept the ceasefire request.

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    Re: Possible ceasefire in Gaza

    Barak seems to agree with the French ceasefire idea

    le fil info - lesoir.be

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