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Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's president

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I would certainly like to see some evidence that the above wasn't true. Although it doesn't justify the rockets, it does put more blood on the hands of the Israeli's.

blood is on all sides. i have said years ago a **** fight to the finish is the only way..... unfortunate but limp wristed liberalism has only led to animosity......


Your request has me speechless.







One President at a time!



:lol: jan 20th i will revive this thread!
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

GREAT IDEA MIDWEST...... :lol:

My Jedi mind tricks have been pretty good lately. :lol:
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

Nope... I even told my DAd that Obama will be better off if he keeps his mouth shut right now.
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

Obama should keep his mouth shut on most issues regarding foreign relations until he takes office. What he needs to do now is assess the situation.

The only person he should really be talking to on the matter is the current President. Obama should get a handle on what bush will be doing over the next few weeks and find out what if anything he should do once he takes office.




My opinion on the whole Gaza thing is that I have a great degree of sympathy for the Palestinian civilians. I am saddened by the loss of civilians and I think that Israel is perhaps being heavy handed on the issue.

That being said, I can understand WHY they are being heavy handed. I have just as much sympathy for the Israeli civilians who are dealing with this constant barrage of rockets as I do for the Palestinian civilians.

Unfortunately, that is the way of war. And this situation is far too ****ed up to really lay blame at any one side's feet completely.

The only thing I know for sure is that while extremists on both sides exist, the situation will never get better.
 
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To me, it appears that Mary Mitchell made a statement, not an argument.

To explain, you made a big deal about the difference between an Argument and a Statement earlier in this thread.

How is her article (the entire article, not the first and last two sentences that were quoted), an "argument"?

It couldn't be clearer to me that it is a statement of her opinion.

You responded to me responding to Americanwoman, so I got confused, and was thinking of what Americanwoman said, sorry. We all have our faults.

I will repeat the offending words for ease of reference:

“When Sen. Barack Obama 'rejected' and 'denounced' the support of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan during the MSNBC debate last week, it wasn't his finest hour.

Fortunately for Obama, most black people understand the game.

Obama should have found a way to escape Russert's trap without denigrating Farrakhan's legacy.

But, like I said, we understand.” Why Obama 'denounced' Farrakhan :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Mary Mitchell

It is a statement Obama is lying, a belief he is lying or her opinion, a racist statement dragging most blacks into it, but an argument that he is lying because he is a politician.

When a thing was done (the rejecting and denouncing), since we understand the game (lying for political gain), therefore, it (what it is believed Obama did, and irrelevant in this argument that it is her belief) was a lie.

"‘I have been very clear in my denunciation of Minister Farrakhan's anti-Semitic comments,’ Obama told Tim Russert, NBC Washington Bureau chief.”
Why Obama 'denounced' Farrakhan :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Mary Mitchell

“Yet Farrakhan's appeal to masses of African Americans is that he is not a politician. And [/b]he is free to speak his mind[/b] because his organization does not depend on outside support.” Why Obama 'denounced' Farrakhan :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Mary Mitchell

Mary Mitchell bigotedly and presumptuously stated that most black people understand Obama was lying, basically called him a liar, and argued that Obama is a politician and therefore a liar who is not free to speak his mind.

Now, let’s not get confused here, I know “liberals” sometimes use the “I believe, therefore, it must be true” argument, they are like good little robots of the hive mind Obamanation democracy, and I now know that knee-jerks and their clapping monkeys can see the word “since” and an “I think” and therefore an argument came when it was just a statement. What I believe about Obama means no more than what Mary Mitchell believes, I have no idea what Obama is going to do in this matter of Israel/Palestine, so I could not make an argument to that effect if I wanted to. I am not God. I hope to see the Nation of Islam’s racist crap disappointed. All I can do is listen to the “articulate” Obama, and still wonder what the universal values are that democracy demands; let‘s not forget the principalities and powers of the air, that demon known as democracy (an inanimate thing of many stripes not always ruled by reason or established monotheistic morality). Somewhere around here I may be exceeding the limits; evolution comes to mind, but some might say this paragraph and claim ignorance as their eyes glassed over. Seriously, I only brought up the Ali Abunimah and Mary Mitchell disclaimers in response to the Muslim saying, “we all know there will be no difference regarding Israel in a Obama adminsitration.” I will be pleasantly surprised if she is right.

I want Obama to go down as a good president, it would be in all of our best interests at this time, we are broke and the world hates us, and the first black president must be a good one, but if his own supporters argue he is a liar because he is a politician and he ignores it...

It is my opinion Obama needed to respond to the Mary Mitchell disclaimer in light of the earlier Ali Abunimah one, but we can only blame that on bad journalism, by the left (incompetence) and the right (hate), who do not want to defend most black people and Obama from Mary Mitchell.

The “Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza” could be because he has no real record of action (not long enough), or it could be the world is not sure whether Obama is a liar due to the misuse of the word “articulate“ in reference to him. He is a great orator, like Hitler, but he is not articulate. There is no need for anyone to bring up Tashah’s gross public orgasm over Obama’s Jerusalem comments.

Hopefully, there are no more misunderstandings.
 
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Obama should keep his mouth shut on most issues regarding foreign relations until he takes office. .

Election by ignorance, that explains it.
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

Election by ignorance, that explains it.

It ain't his job yet. And the issue is not domestic, so it doesn't concern him until it becomes his job.
 
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Do you all think Obama should have made a statment either way on this or not?
How can he? He's not the President yet and he does not speak for the State Department or any other part of the executive branch. What an absurd suggestion!
 
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Yes he went after the terrorists group Hammas.




Historically, President elects do make statments regarding significant world affairs.
Gee admitting that Hamas is a terrorist organization is not exactly interjecting a personal opinion nor was he suggesting a course of action.

I can't understand how anyone can criticize Obama for not jumping in...oh wait...I forgot you're the same poster who continually accuses Obama of having severe racist tendencies and you never back up your bluster with facts...just like you seem to be doing in this new thread.

Can't you see how desperate your posts look when you make ineptly false statements and accusations? Apparently not.
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

Historically, President elects do make statments regarding significant world affairs.
Really? How about some links to prove what you wrote, please?
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

I have no idea, get the racist Mary Mitchell to answer that question, my sentence is just stating what Mary Mitchell meant. Since Obama did not fight the smears of Mary Mitchell, and the suspected lying racist still has her job, I have a right to suspect the majority of blacks in this country must be bad and Obama is a liar. Since it has never been refuted by Obama, I see no reason not to take Mary Mitchell at her word about Obama being a liar.
What are you talking about? Your conclusions are beyond ridiculous.
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

Obama is a lizard person, much like those voted for in the recent Minnesota election. He has not said otherwise, and until he does I will accept it as absolute truth that Obama is a lizard person
Actually I think he is "Crab People"....better watch your back!

southpark-crab-people.jpg
 
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good, why should either one get involved anyway, the definition of a "foreign affair" is that it is foreign, and outside. Or i will happily suggest they wait until they solve Americas problems before they try to intervene or help someone else? i could understand if it was a non government affair, however, we are paying these presidents salaries, therefore, they have to work for us, the Americans.
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

Gee admitting that Hamas is a terrorist organization is not exactly interjecting a personal opinion nor was he suggesting a course of action.

I can't understand how anyone can criticize Obama for not jumping in...oh wait...I forgot you're the same poster who continually accuses Obama of having severe racist tendencies and you never back up your bluster with facts...just like you seem to be doing in this new thread.

Can't you see how desperate your posts look when you make ineptly false statements and accusations? Apparently not.


Wait, I never back up what I post? Gee I am still waiting for you to tell the Good Reverend the "Context" obama was taken out of.

You fail on so many levels. :lol:



Hey how about in this upcoming year you work on your little hissy fits? mmmkay? :lol:


Your mantrums are a drole. :2wave:
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

Really? How about some links to prove what you wrote, please?



Right after you tell me the context I took Obama out of. :2wave:
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

It ain't his job yet. And the issue is not domestic, so it doesn't concern him until it becomes his job.

Yeah, free speech is limited by job description?

We should already have a general sense of where our president elect would be expected to lean on this kind of matter. I did not get the sense of the topic being just about presidential etiquette, more about the undiscovered country, but it is not my topic.
 
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What are you talking about? Your conclusions are beyond ridiculous.

“Liberal” asks, “What are you talking about?” then says, “Your conclusions are beyond ridiculous.” I cannot say anything about “liberal” brain damage.

I will try and interpret what you are trying to get at with your understanding of my conclusions you did not know what I was talking about.

Is the “liberal” trying to say Mary Mitchell cannot be a racist for articulating that “most black people understand” Obama is a lying politician?

Do de white peaples not jive?
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

Yeah, free speech is limited by job description?

Who said anything about limitting free spech. It's about what he SHOULD do. Not what he MUST do. He could be a jackass and start blathering on about the issue, which really isn't a US issue, or he can do the right thing and not speak out until it is appropriate.

He chose the latter approach.
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

Who said anything about limitting free spech. It's about what he SHOULD do. Not what he MUST do. He could be a jackass and start blathering on about the issue, which really isn't a US issue, or he can do the right thing and not speak out until it is appropriate.

He chose the latter approach.

Now we are in to the “appropriate” “right thing” limiting free speech?
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

Now we are in to the “appropriate” “right thing” limiting free speech?

Who said anything about limiting free speech? I asked this in the previous post. You must have missed it because I forgot the question mark. It was the first sentence.
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

Who said anything about limiting free speech? I asked this in the previous post. You must have missed it because I forgot the question mark. It was the first sentence.


“It ain't his job yet. And the issue is not domestic, so it doesn't concern him until it becomes his job,” could be limiting. “He could be a jackass and start blathering on about the issue, which really isn't a US issue, or he can do the right thing and not speak out until it is appropriate,” is really limiting.

You named yourself and everyone on the message board who has spoke on the issue, as it isn’t your job yet or their job yet. I really wish you would quit with the insults.

*****

That is how it starts with “liberals,” it isn’t our job yet, you put up a picture of Che, you vote for a dictator with articulated universal values that democracy demands, then you bring out the thought police telling us what is appropriate. And at every step of the way you say we are free.
 
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“It ain't his job yet. And the issue is not domestic, so it doesn't concern him until it becomes his job,” could be limiting. “He could be a jackass and start blathering on about the issue, which really isn't a US issue, or he can do the right thing and not speak out until it is appropriate,” is really limiting.

Where did you ever get that absurd notion?

You named yourself and everyone on the message board who has spoke on the issue, as it isn’t your job yet or their job yet. I really wish you would quit with the insults.

No, I quite clearly explained that OBAMA would be a jackass for speaking about the issue.


That is how it starts with “liberals,” it isn’t our job yet, you put up a picture of Che, you vote for a dictator with articulated universal values that democracy demands, then you bring out the thought police telling us what is appropriate. And at every step of the way you say we are free.

Are you using the general "you" here? If so, please cite where these things were done.

If not, please cite where I have done any of those things as well as back up your assertion that I am a "liberal".
 
Re: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America's presi

Do you all think Obama should have made a statment either way on this or not?

I think we should all shut the **** up about this and watch what happens when America does not mediate between opposing factions.

Should be fun :2wave:

P.S. Maybe then people will stop questioning our motives when we "interfere"
 
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