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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    They are GREAT against military targets, AOE weapons in RL. Sure they have down sides, but all weapons do.

    The MLRS rocket system is a "cluster bomb", JDAMS, and just standard CBU bombs. All kick ass when used right.
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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Short term, but it's a horrible horrible method to employ. And definitely not a long term solution as Israel has taken it to be. It did work specifically in our case, it's not working in this case.
    Funny thing is, since civilized peoples have quit fighting total war.. we've seen an increase the bad guys winning or not being stopped.

    Amazing thing that... fighting to win.
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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    You are the one advocating practices that would result in genocide... of the Israelis.

    Punishing the good citizens of Gaza with a little shock and awe though might convince them their support of Hamas is too costly.
    How long has this been going on? This isn't a fight that just all of sudden broke out last week; if so your statements may carry more weight. This has been going on for a long long time. Israel also hasn't just started their campaign either; there has been massive fighting on both sides for quite some time. The Palestinians have for decades received huge losses of this kind. So why would all of a sudden this shock and awe work when so many in the past have failed?

    That's the point, shock and awe is only going to piss off the Palestinians even more. It's only going to make the respond with more attacks. That's it. If shock and awe were going to work, it would have worked a long time ago. Now both sides are just caught in a perpetual cycle of "retaliation". Shock and awe will not work, it will only encourage more 'retaliation". So in the end, by both sides playing into the cycle they only encourage more death and destruction.

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    So you think having missles raig down on Israel is none of Israel's damned business. That's a strange idea.
    No, I'm saying that we should stay out of it. We shouldn't be supplying arms to either side (not that we supply to both sides, it's only Israel; but I was making a general comment on this conflict). It's not our business.

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    A liitle propaganda just before the shock and awe might be a good strategy. You should not give a damn if they like you, only that they understand they better do as you tell them.
    Force and bloodshed will no longer act as a deterrent. If Israel wants their own people to live free of possibility of attack, they have to change strategy. It is important that the Palestinians like them, they won't listen to the Israelis unless they understand them. Neither side understands the other, so Palestinians are more likely to help Hezbollah because they're tired of being killed by Israel and even if they don't agree with terrorists, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So of course while this time of "shock and awe" exist as if it's a valid solution, there will be no solution. If the amount of death and destruction the Palestinian people have already endured isn't enough to act as a deterrent, then I don't think further death and destruction stands much chance of working; short of genocide which would probably bring a host of its own problems with it.
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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
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    .... It is important that the Palestinians like them, they won't listen to the Israelis unless they understand them. Neither side understands the other

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    You have to be joking. This has to qualify as one of the most naive statements of all time.

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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    You have to be joking. This has to qualify as one of the most naive statements of all time.
    That's great that you can take one sentence without considering the context of the paragraph. If both sides do nothing more than dehumanize the other, there can be no hope of resolution. Not when they've been fighting for so long that ever attack is greeted with reprisal. Shock and awe won't work against such an entrenched war. Israel can bomb what they want, but so long as some live there will always be retaliation. The Palestinians aren't going to listen to the Israelis solely because Israel can do more damage. If that were true, this conflict would be long over. Instead, both sides are going to have to try to understand the other side. To treat each other at the very least like humans. If Israel acts in ways only to foster Palestinian hatred, then there will be no resolution short of genocide. History is quite clear on this one.
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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's great that you can take one sentence without considering the context of the paragraph. If both sides do nothing more than dehumanize the other, there can be no hope of resolution. Not when they've been fighting for so long that ever attack is greeted with reprisal. Shock and awe won't work against such an entrenched war. Israel can bomb what they want, but so long as some live there will always be retaliation. The Palestinians aren't going to listen to the Israelis solely because Israel can do more damage. If that were true, this conflict would be long over. Instead, both sides are going to have to try to understand the other side. To treat each other at the very least like humans. If Israel acts in ways only to foster Palestinian hatred, then there will be no resolution short of genocide. History is quite clear on this one.
    That one statement seemed to pretty much sum up your understanding of the situation, based on you posting on the subject and, as I said, it is very naive.

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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    That one statement seemed to pretty much sum up your understanding of the situation, based on you posting on the subject and, as I said, it is very naive.
    Yet it didn't. What's naive is thinking decades of war will end with more war. That a show of force will somehow work when it hasn't worked before. What's naive is to ignore the whole history of the conflict.
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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yet it didn't. What's naive is thinking decades of war will end with more war. That a show of force will somehow work when it hasn't worked before. What's naive is to ignore the whole history of the conflict.
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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Funny thing is, since civilized peoples have quit fighting total war.. we've seen an increase the bad guys winning or not being stopped.

    Amazing thing that... fighting to win.
    If you would prefer to go back to the "Good 'Ol Days" when the victor razed civilizations, raping the women and killing the men and children, be my guest.
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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yet it didn't. What's naive is thinking decades of war will end with more war. That a show of force will somehow work when it hasn't worked before. What's naive is to ignore the whole history of the conflict.
    They should quit worry about what the EU, NYT, WP, NBC, CBS, ABC, SF, and others like you think and go all out until those on the other side do not have anyone left that is willing or able to fight. That will work.

    Israel has made concession after consession and what has it gotten them. The idiots elect Hamas and Hamas cowers behind women and children and lob missles into Israel. The Gaza residents deserve whatever they get.

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