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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Sure there is -- the arms manufacturers make money.
    Nothing new there -- that how all foerign military aid works (save that which involves items from current inventory).
    Okay fine so the profit margin comes at the expense of the US taxpayer.

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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, I showed you exactly the definition, supply is to provide. We provide the weaponry. It's you whom decided to be obtuse.
    So, keep the burr in your butt -- but please, wash your hands after you scratch.


    A US company can not sell US military weapons without the approval of the government. No way no how.
    That's relevant.... how?

    And I guess it shouldn't matter if we make a profit or not, we're not mercenaries and we're not the world police. People need to deal with their own problems it's not up to the US taxpayer to fund it.
    So, we should not give or sell weapons to anyone?

    It's a "raid" in the sense that it's a bombing; air raid maybe. Look at what just happened. Some Hezbola r-tards bomb some crap in Israel and kill 2 or so people. Israel bombs a civilian sector to get at some Hezbola jerks and in the process kills hundreds of people, many of whom are civilian.
    This is no different than bombs meant for German factories hitting German schools or houses. The schools and the civilians in it were not 'targeted', the bimbs were not 'used' on them, and we did not "make war" or "encourage war" on civilians.

    Is my concern really unfounded? Israel has a long track record of attacking civilians. They have demonstrated that they have no remorse or hesitation to take out a bunch of civilians to get at a few terrorists.
    See above.

    Let them all fund their own crap. Let them all build their own crap. Let their people put up the money for the resources, the capabilities, and the production of their military. I'm not here to subsidize this for anyone other than the US military
    Its very fortunate that you were not in charge, 1940-1991.
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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Okay fine so the profit margin comes at the expense of the US taxpayer.
    Its been going on for several generations -- rather disingenuous to complain about it now.

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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So, keep the burr in your butt -- but please, wash your hands after you scratch.
    It's a matter of you being wrong and then being obtuse more than anything else. You can pretend you didn't know, but I even gave you the definition of "supply". Sorry, but you're just wrong. You can drop this at any point you choose as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's relevant.... how?
    It was a response to your assertion that US companies sell it

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So, we should not give or sell weapons to anyone?
    Under most conditions, no we shouldn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is no different than bombs meant for German factories hitting German schools or houses. The schools and the civilians in it were not 'targeted', the bimbs were not 'used' on them, and we did not "make war" or "encourage war" on civilians.
    You sure about that? What about the firebombing of Tokyo? what was that? That was a purposeful assault on the civilian populace. It was meant to inflict the highest number of causality possible. It's nothing to be encouraged. And it's not a tactic that you keep up for years and decades on end. Else you will find yourself entrenched in a war in which both sides are wrong and both sides have valid reason for anger. Israel has hit plenty of civilian targets on purpose to get to the terrorists, they're not innocent. There are no innocents in this war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    See above.
    Indeed...see above

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    Its very fortunate that you were not in charge, 1940-1991.
    Yeah, I mean all the black ops we did (Iran/Contra, things of that nature). Really worked out well for us...oh crap it pretty much always back fires. We've had a series of unfortunate leaders since the time of FDR (who was one of the worst Presidents). We shouldn't stick our noses in other's business. Let other people deal with their own crap, we need to quit spending tax payer money on others and focus on our crap.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its been going on for several generations -- rather disingenuous to complain about it now.
    Pointing out a fact is complaining?

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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Cluster bombs have there use in certain scenarios, though not in densely populated areas.

    - Dumb Bombs

    They were used to great affect in Desert Storm.

    Paul.
    They were also highly effective in fire bombing of Dresden and Tokyo.

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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's a matter of you being wrong...
    Except that I wasn't.

    It was a response to your assertion that US companies sell it
    Which usually the case -- though, its still irrelevant to the point. The US government giving permission to a company to sell isnt the same thing as the US government selling the items it has in inventory or supplying the funding for the nation in question to buy the items.

    You sure about that? What about the firebombing of Tokyo? what was that?
    Its not analogous to what Israel does, whereas the bombing of German factories (etc) is. Did you want to address the relevant analogy, or concede the point and then discuss somethng irrelevant to the issue you brought up?

    Yeah, I mean all the black ops we did (Iran/Contra, things of that nature).
    I was thnking more of the lend-lease programs to the UK and our other allies, the post-war MAP that re-armed Europe, the sales and supplies od US military equipment during the cold war to counter the USSR, etc.

    You knew that, right?

    Now, did you want to argue that it would have been better had we done none of those things. or not?

    We shouldn't stick our noses in other's business. Let other people deal with their own crap, we need to quit spending tax payer money on others and focus on our crap.
    Had we done that 1940-1991 we'd be speaking Russian and/or German.

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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Pointing out a fact is complaining?
    Sorry - I thought you might have had a point attached to your pointing out that fact.

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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Sorry - I thought you might have had a point attached to your pointing out that fact.
    Knocking down your short sighted rhetoric was my point.

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    Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Knocking down your short sighted rhetoric was my point.
    When you manage to do that, let me know.

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