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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Not really, just pointing out the obvious, sex-ed has absolutely NOTHING to do with saving people from disease. It only has to do with pleasure.
    It has nothing to do with pleasure. It has to do with educating people on risk and safety.

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    If everyone in the world waited untill they were married and never cheated. The AIDS problem would be virtually nonexistent. Just isolated instances of Aids via-blood transfusions and what not, and even then it would be rarer. Why doesn't anyone encourage that behavior? I'll tell you why: "Its too dang hard!I dun wanna wait till marriage!"
    And those people that never get married?
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Who's talking about showing how to put on? There are directions in the condom box for that.

    1. I am saying a teacher should provide information that condoms and other such barrier providing contraceptives will help protect against such diseases.and that they are the only contraceptives that do so and that intercourse is not the only method to obtain such diseases. We wouldn't want the students thinking "the pill" provides this type of protection or that they do other things besides intercourse and they are safe. 2.They need to know even basic kissing can transfer such diseases.
    1. So, you want teachers to basically market condoms. Cause, you know thats what you would be doing. Like the commercials, only not as sexy.

    2. No you can't, unless your gums are bleeding. (See: tooth brush) and even then, its a small risk.

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Wait a minute. Now THIS doesn't make sense. I just read a study that said condoms are very efficient. How is that if 8/10 men are not putting it on correctly?
    Efficiency and safety are mutually exclusive. Everything one reads about condoms discusses their efficiency with the contingent that they are used properly.
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    1. So, you want teachers to basically market condoms. Cause, you know thats what you would be doing. Like the commercials, only not as sexy.
    I don't quite remember any brand being pushed, just the importance of latex.

    I wouldn't regard it as "marketing" unless you're claiming that teachers "market" books as well. It isn't their purpose at all... in fact in the case of books I'd say teacher's deter people from reading later in life.
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    It has nothing to do with pleasure. It has to do with educating people on risk and safety.
    Then you would have to teach them abstinence. Condoms are only 97% effective. It does DECREASE the risk, no mistake about it, and that is worth noting in sex ed. But it is not 100% effective by no means.
    And those people that never get married?
    Who? Who did I say don't get married?

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Not really, just pointing out the obvious, sex-ed has absolutely NOTHING to do with saving people from disease.
    Says you. Inaccuracy certainly does not equate to certainty. You are being inaccurate, so your certainty is debunked.


    It only has to do with pleasure.
    Not in any sex-ed class I've been in. Or taught. it's always about understanding ones body, from a reproductive sense, and understanding how to be safe. You are spewing inaccuracies.

    If everyone in the world waited untill they were married and never cheated. The AIDS problem would be virtually nonexistent.
    And if the queen had balls she'd be king. If you'd like to deal with the fantasies of what might happen, be my quest. I'll deal with reality.

    Just isolated instances of Aids via-blood transfusions and what not, and even then it would be rarer. Why doesn't anyone encourage that behavior? I'll tell you why: "Its too dang hard!I dun wanna wait till marriage!"
    You're doing it again. Straw manning. Please stop, it makes your argument look weaker than it is on it's own merits. No one is saying that abstinence should not be encouraged. It should. But it should NOT be the only thing taught. That is unsafe.
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Then you would have to teach them abstinence.
    Abstinence only needs to be taught to anyone stupid enough not to get that "if you don't have sex you wont get X" is implied by "people get X through sex."

    EVERYONE who doesn't believe in the stork theory of child birth understands abstinence. There is NO need to teach it, nor does teaching it yield effective results.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Condoms are only 97% effective. It does DECREASE the risk, no mistake about it, and that is worth noting in sex ed. But it is not 100% effective by no means.
    Are you under the assumption that abstinence education is? I don't think you understand how high 97% is, that's a SUBSTANTIAL decrease.
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I don't quite remember any brand being pushed, just the importance of latex.
    I'm sorry, they would be marketing a product, not a brand.
    I wouldn't regard it as "marketing" unless you're claiming that teachers "market" books as well. It isn't their purpose at all... in fact in the case of books I'd say teacher's deter people from reading later in life.
    They actually kind of do. At least with any school with a library with late-charges. It is business (although not a "marketed" business...)

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    The point of teaching children about sex education early is so that they have the knowledge before they have the desire to become sexually active. Also, sex education is not just about condom use, but in learning about your own body and the changes (physically and emotionally) that are taking place over the course of puberty. It is a very confusing time for many young people, and the purpose of the education is to help them to cope with the experience and normalize the process of actually investigating and asking questions about it.

    Sex education occurs outside of the classroom in every day life, but its sources are dubious and inconsistent. How many urban legends exist about aspects of sexuality? Even before I became a doctor, I was reading stories about people who thought the most ridiculous things could be used for contraception.

    Growing up, my male friends were always giving me varying advice on women. In hindsight, none of them knew what the hell they were talking about. It is far better for children to receive a standardized, accurate version before street education confuses them and leads to them to unknowingly risky situations.

    I understand religion's attempt to ensure sex before marriage, but this philosophy can also co-exist with sex education. It is about empowering young people with knowledge so that they can make educated decisions. Clearly there are still people in favour of sex after marriage even after receiving sex education, so the system is not watering down their philosophy and trying to run it out of town.

    A lot of my young patients ask very intelligent questions about sexuality to fill their knowledge gaps, and this is after they have already received the standard education in the school system (which, in my opinion, is still lacking).

    The sex education system in schools should be given more funding, not less, because right now I feel it focused too much on the clinical side and less on the psychosocial side. However, it will likely remain more technical because social conservatives tend to believe that schools are trying to interfere in the psychosocial upbringing of their children.

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    1. So, you want teachers to basically market condoms. Cause, you know thats what you would be doing. Like the commercials, only not as sexy.

    2. No you can't, unless your gums are bleeding. (See: tooth brush) and even then, its a small risk.
    You're doing it AGAIN. Straw manning. Doesn't work.

    1) No one is saying that. Teachers should be teaching what types of safety condoms create, when used properly during sex. Just the information. Similar to if religion was taught in school. Information, not judgment.

    2) Read his comment. He didn't say HIV only. If you have mouth herpes, transmitting that via kissing is pretty easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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